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    US breast cancer drug decision 'marks start of death panels'

    It appears death panels are back in Obama healthcare.

    US breast cancer drug decision 'marks start of death panels' - Telegraph


    A decision to rescind endorsement of the drug would reignite the highly charged debate over US health care reform and how much the state should spend on new and expensive treatments.

    Avastin, the world’s best selling cancer drug, is primarily used to treat colon cancer and was approved by the US Food and Drug Administration in 2008 for use on women with breast cancer that has spread.
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    Re: US breast cancer drug decision 'marks start of death panels'

    Here we go again.

    Cost simply has to be taken into account when analyzing the benefits of a drug. Combine a cost of 'on average' $83,000 to treat people in this late-stage cancer by its being found to only extend life by one month can only mean that pharma's getting rich. That last month? It's going to be hell anyway.
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    Re: US breast cancer drug decision 'marks start of death panels'

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Here we go again.

    Cost simply has to be taken into account when analyzing the benefits of a drug. Combine a cost of 'on average' $83,000 to treat people in this late-stage cancer by its being found to only extend life by one month can only mean that pharma's getting rich. That last month? It's going to be hell anyway.
    It's not the govt's job to determine that value for us by removing FDA approval for drugs. If I want to spend $8000 for a drug that may or may not extend my life for a month, that's my business, not theirs.

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    Re: US breast cancer drug decision 'marks start of death panels'

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Here we go again.

    Cost simply has to be taken into account when analyzing the benefits of a drug. Combine a cost of 'on average' $83,000 to treat people in this late-stage cancer by its being found to only extend life by one month can only mean that pharma's getting rich. That last month? It's going to be hell anyway.
    That is where we are at though.

    Most of the major things that increase life expectancy have been done.
    (Nutrition, work place safety, etc.)

    Until a technological break through happens, we're stuck with slowly increasing life expectancy through medications and treatments that may only do it one month at a time.

    The FDA shouldn't be approving or disapproving drugs based on cost effectiveness.
    It will start to stagnate us.
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    Re: US breast cancer drug decision 'marks start of death panels'

    This shows Obama care will be no different than insurance companies. and the government will decide what care you get and if your life is worth spending the money. We are seeing death panels that Obama and the democrats denied would happen more lies from Obama

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    Re: US breast cancer drug decision 'marks start of death panels'

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    That is where we are at though.

    Most of the major things that increase life expectancy have been done.
    (Nutrition, work place safety, etc.)

    Until a technological break through happens, we're stuck with slowly increasing life expectancy through medications and treatments that may only do it one month at a time.

    The FDA shouldn't be approving or disapproving drugs based on cost effectiveness.
    It will start to stagnate us.
    The govt is great at stagnating innovation through regulation.
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    Re: US breast cancer drug decision 'marks start of death panels'

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    It's not the govt's job to determine that value for us by removing FDA approval for drugs. If I want to spend $8000 for a drug that may or may not extend my life for a month, that's my business, not theirs.
    Actually it is your HMO and insurance company's .. and they would most likely also say no.
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    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    The govt is great at stagnating innovation through regulation.
    Leave things in the hands of "the people" and they are bound to screw it up for the rest of us.
    Government should have never got a hand in medical care.
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    Re: US breast cancer drug decision 'marks start of death panels'

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    It's not the govt's job to determine that value for us by removing FDA approval for drugs. If I want to spend $8000 for a drug that may or may not extend my life for a month, that's my business, not theirs.
    Fine. Spend your money. But not mine.

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    That is where we are at though. Most of the major things that increase life expectancy have been done. (Nutrition, work place safety, etc.) Until a technological break through happens, we're stuck with slowly increasing life expectancy through medications and treatments that may only do it one month at a time. The FDA shouldn't be approving or disapproving drugs based on cost effectiveness. It will start to stagnate us.
    I'm not sure that's where we are. Pharma is profit-motivated -- not quality-of-life motivated -- strictly the bottom line. Believe me, Harry, extending someone's life by a month makes no sense -- for the family, for the patient, or for society as a whole. It's, as usual, all about the money.
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    Re: US breast cancer drug decision 'marks start of death panels'

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I'm not sure that's where we are. Pharma is profit-motivated -- not quality-of-life motivated -- strictly the bottom line. Believe me, Harry, extending someone's life by a month makes no sense -- for the family, for the patient, or for society as a whole. It's, as usual, all about the money.
    What does it matter if they are profit motivated?
    That is how things get done.
    Most problems don't get solved with warm fuzzy feelings.

    Whether we like or not, the biggest advances in humanity have been done with free enterprise.
    Not burgeoning, centralized bodies making decisions for you.
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