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    Re: US breast cancer drug decision 'marks start of death panels'

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Faceless beaurocrats already have control over those types of decisions. They work for insurance companies.
    They also work for Medicare - who also is toying with denying treatment based on costs and age.

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    Re: US breast cancer drug decision 'marks start of death panels'

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    They also work for Medicare - who also is toying with denying treatment based on costs and age.

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/genera...icare-1st.html
    I include Medicare when I say insurance companies -- that's what Medicare is, de facto. Medicare's always done it. So have all the others.

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    Re: US breast cancer drug decision 'marks start of death panels'

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I include Medicare when I say insurance companies -- that's what Medicare is, de facto. Medicare's always done it. So have all the others.
    Apparently, they've never done it yet with a Cancer treatment, as it's stated in the DP link, this would be a first. Also, Medicare is government --- not private insurance. There's a difference, while I see the advantage of lumping everything together in a simplistic way.
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    Re: US breast cancer drug decision 'marks start of death panels'

    Welcome to Government Health care people. Perhaps when the state decides when you should die, your death will be spectacular.
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    Re: US breast cancer drug decision 'marks start of death panels'

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Yeah, then we don't agree. I think the Food & Drug Administration should tackle these products. They do when they step over invisible lines making too outrageous a claim. I'd just like them to move the lines. ;-)
    That sets up science as being the single determiner of "effective" medicine and I don't agree with that. There was medicine before science and there will be medicine during and after science. Traditonally knowledge is older than that, and many other systems don't rely on empiricism like the FDA does to establish what is useful for healing. My entire profession, for the most part, is based on non-scientific inductive reasoning that occurred over thousands of years of clinical trials. If the Canadian equivalent of the FDA started saying that I can't use herbs until each one of them (and there are thousands) are tested for efficacy, then all natural health care practitioners in Canada would disappear overnight.

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    Re: US breast cancer drug decision 'marks start of death panels'

    Quote Originally Posted by chevydriver1123 View Post
    Welcome to Government Health care people. Perhaps when the state decides when you should die, your death will be spectacular.
    Only if we get to go to Carousel. Then we get to float around and get zapped into sparks! Whoohoo!

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    Re: US breast cancer drug decision 'marks start of death panels'

    Quote Originally Posted by Orion View Post
    That sets up science as being the single determiner of "effective" medicine and I don't agree with that. There was medicine before science and there will be medicine during and after science. Traditonally knowledge is older than that, and many other systems don't rely on empiricism like the FDA does to establish what is useful for healing. My entire profession, for the most part, is based on non-scientific inductive reasoning that occurred over thousands of years of clinical trials. If the Canadian equivalent of the FDA started saying that I can't use herbs until each one of them (and there are thousands) are tested for efficacy, then all natural health care practitioners in Canada would disappear overnight.
    Now I know where you're coming from, Orion. Actually helpful. What you say makes sense. I guess I'd be happy if they'd just debunk the claims that I have a 10-year-old cornflake in my colon.
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    Re: US breast cancer drug decision 'marks start of death panels'

    From global warming doesn't exist to USA death panels lol ptif thanks for giving me one final reason to ignore you!
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    Re: US breast cancer drug decision 'marks start of death panels'

    We have a report that 85% of new drugs have little or no new benefit over existing ones. The chances are that this applies to the cancer drug in question.

    85% of new drugs 'offer few benefits' - Health News, Health & Families - The Independent
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    Re: US breast cancer drug decision 'marks start of death panels'

    Quote Originally Posted by JohnWOlin View Post
    From global warming doesn't exist to USA death panels lol ptif thanks for giving me one final reason to ignore you!

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