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    Re: US breast cancer drug decision 'marks start of death panels'

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    They should really have no say at all, the FDA shouldn't even exist. But the most they should do is give opinion. Not ban, and not delay access.


    You need a link to know that the FDA is a bunch of bureaucrats? That the FDA delays access to lifesaving drugs sometimes by 10 years due to their absolutely retardedly rigid protocols?


    Supposedly. That's the key word.

    Here's the thing: We don't need the FDA to do that. The FDA worries so much about some person dying and then they get a bad rap that they make it super expensive, tedious, and time consuming to get any drug approved. It's ridiculous.


    Your opinion cannot offend me.


    Yeah, my way puts the patients back as the responsible party for their own health. If they buy the snake oil and die, that's really no one's fault but theirs. Their health is THEIR responsibility.

    My way also opens the door for third party, non-partisan, non-political, non-bureaucrat agencies to test and give opinions about drugs. It lets the consumer do research and gather information for themselves. It lets the consumer decide for themselves. My way doesn't assume that everyone is a ****ing idiot incapable of reading and listening.

    My way also opens the door for more direct competition.

    If you want to do some reading, do a google search on "abolish the FDA". But here's a couple links to get your started, some by economists, some docs, etc.

    Economists Against the FDA: Publications: The Independent Institute
    Abolish the FDA!! by Jim Grichar
    Hands off my Meds « John Stossel
    http://www.independent.org/pdf/tir/t...1_tabarrok.pdf
    Uncommon Knowledge: TAKE IT TO THE LIMITS: Milton Friedman on Libertarianism | Hoover Institution
    http://www.heartland.org/custom/semo.../pdf/21329.pdf
    So your way abolishes the FDA and creates another one. Fine. I'm not arguing whether or not the FDA is beaurcratic. One way or another, drugs need to be safety tested. If you want to "start over," fine. But it won't take long for pharma to have the new guys in their pockets either. Right now, the FDA's the best we've got. They are not death panels. Insurance companies are not death panels. UHC doesn't create them. Get real.
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    Re: US breast cancer drug decision 'marks start of death panels'

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    I said that was pure cost effectiveness.
    Something the government shouldn't be doing.
    You said elderly should not get medicene since they will not live long. that is what death panels do

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    Re: US breast cancer drug decision 'marks start of death panels'

    Quote Originally Posted by Crunch View Post
    That's absolutely correct.... but those panels that decide whether your are worth the cost of saving are not death panels, they are, uhhhh, errr, hmmmmmm, for your own good?
    Such an emotional argument, playing to people's fears. They do not decide if your life is worth saving. They decide whether the side effects, dangers, and YES, costs are of real benefit both to a patient and to society.

    Answer me this: We can put someone on full comprehensive life support and keep them "alive" until they dry up and blow away. Does that mean we should do it?
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    Re: US breast cancer drug decision 'marks start of death panels'

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    You said elderly should not get medicene since they will not live long. that is what death panels do
    I was explaining pure cost effectiveness.
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    Re: US breast cancer drug decision 'marks start of death panels'

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Such an emotional argument, playing to people's fears. They do not decide if your life is worth saving. They decide whether the side effects, dangers, and YES, costs are of real benefit both to a patient and to society.

    Answer me this: We can put someone on full comprehensive life support and keep them "alive" until they dry up and blow away. Does that mean we should do it?
    We will keep people alive on life support but deny them drugs? That makes no sense.

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    Re: US breast cancer drug decision 'marks start of death panels'

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    I was explaining pure cost effectiveness.
    That is death panels.

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    Re: US breast cancer drug decision 'marks start of death panels'

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    We will keep people alive on life support but deny them drugs? That makes no sense.
    Only harmful dugs are banned. Others are available if your doctor prescribes them -- even for off-label use.
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    Re: US breast cancer drug decision 'marks start of death panels'

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    That is death panels.
    Death panels is a bit hyperbolic.
    To a degree yes.
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    Re: US breast cancer drug decision 'marks start of death panels'

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Only harmful dugs are banned. Others are available if your doctor prescribes them -- even for off-label use.
    Wrong drugs shown effective in other countries take years to be approved by the FDA

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    Re: US breast cancer drug decision 'marks start of death panels'

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Death panels is a bit hyperbolic.
    To a degree yes.
    No truthful that is why people don't like the term it is to truthful

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