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    Re: US breast cancer drug decision 'marks start of death panels'

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Here we go again.

    Cost simply has to be taken into account when analyzing the benefits of a drug. Combine a cost of 'on average' $83,000 to treat people in this late-stage cancer by its being found to only extend life by one month can only mean that pharma's getting rich. That last month? It's going to be hell anyway.
    Tell that to someone whose in late stages and whose daughter or granddaughter is set to be married in 2 weeks time.

    Or whose grandchild is about to be born.

    And ask that person how much 1 more month would be worth to them.

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    Re: US breast cancer drug decision 'marks start of death panels'

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Tell that to someone whose in late stages and whose daughter or granddaughter is set to be married in 2 weeks time.

    Or whose grandchild is about to be born.

    And ask that person how much 1 more month would be worth to them.
    Insurance companies tell people this all the time, no matter how thye FEEL about it. There is nothing new about these types of decisions.

    Second, emotion often leads us to make poor decisions. Often the tme we hang on to is not quality, is more painful, causes more suffering, and hurts all more than just saying good by would.

    And any med that really isn't effective has no place outside of selling false hope, which is a thriving market.

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    Re: US breast cancer drug decision 'marks start of death panels'

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Insurance companies tell people this all the time, no matter how thye FEEL about it. There is nothing new about these types of decisions.
    If that is the case, why are you arguing? If this drug would have been a choice denied by insurance companies for being too expensive, why do you support the FDA's handling in this instance? Surely, it is better to have more choices in fighting cancer even if it is too expensive for casual treatment.

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    Re: US breast cancer drug decision 'marks start of death panels'

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Insurance companies tell people this all the time, no matter how thye FEEL about it. There is nothing new about these types of decisions.
    Yes they do, and that's their job.

    The FDA's job is to determine if a product is safe or not. Its not there to determine "Well that drugs just way to darn expensive so we're going to deny it".

    In the first case, if you have the money to do it, you could still go out and purchase it yourself if you damn well please.

    In the second case, you can't do that, because the government hasn't legalized it.

    Second, emotion often leads us to make poor decisions. Often the tme we hang on to is not quality, is more painful, causes more suffering, and hurts all more than just saying good by would.
    Perhaps that's the case, but such should not be the choice of the government. That's an individuals choice. We have freedom in this country, and part of freedom is the freedom to make the WRONG choice sometimes. But at least I am making that wrong choice, not some government official that thinks its not "worth it" for anyone to have to pay a large amount of price for "only a month".

    The FDA should see if its safe, not determine if its "worth it" for people.

    And any med that really isn't effective has no place outside of selling false hope, which is a thriving market.
    And people who want to enter into that market foolishly should be free to without the government butting its nose in saying "no". Unless the drug is not safe or they're selling it in a way that constitutes legal fraud, it shouldn't be the governments business.

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    Re: US breast cancer drug decision 'marks start of death panels'

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    It appears death panels are back in Obama healthcare.\
    I love it when conservatives lie through their teeth.

    First off, the FDA is a fairly independent organization. This way everybody can use it as their personal whipping boy come election time.

    Aside from that, last I checked the FDA has nothing whatsoever to do with "Obamacare."
    I'm already gearing up for Finger Vote 2014.

    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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    Re: US breast cancer drug decision 'marks start of death panels'

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Leave things in the hands of "the people" and they are bound to screw it up for the rest of us.
    Government should have never got a hand in medical care.
    Right, but the issue here isn't "Obamacare," despite what we're apparently supposed to think.
    I'm already gearing up for Finger Vote 2014.

    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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    Re: US breast cancer drug decision 'marks start of death panels'

    Quote Originally Posted by Areopagitican View Post
    If that is the case, why are you arguing? If this drug would have been a choice denied by insurance companies for being too expensive, why do you support the FDA's handling in this instance? Surely, it is better to have more choices in fighting cancer even if it is too expensive for casual treatment.
    It's the FDa's job. Companies don't want to sell tainted peanut butter either, but do. So, making recommendations and keeping track is the job of the FDA. And let's not forget, the government also pays for care. Like I aid, there is not one new thing here. Decisions like this are made daily by both the private and public providers. Hell, doctors also make more decisions than many know. Ask one what a slow code is sometime.

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    Re: US breast cancer drug decision 'marks start of death panels'

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    I love it when conservatives lie through their teeth.

    First off, the FDA is a fairly independent organization. This way everybody can use it as their personal whipping boy come election time.

    Aside from that, last I checked the FDA has nothing whatsoever to do with "Obamacare."
    Independent nothing just another Government bureaucracy.

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    Re: US breast cancer drug decision 'marks start of death panels'

    In other words, you have no interest in the truth. Got it.
    I'm already gearing up for Finger Vote 2014.

    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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    Re: US breast cancer drug decision 'marks start of death panels'

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    In other words, you have no interest in the truth. Got it.
    What truth?

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