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    Re: Court halts Calif. gay marriages pending appeal

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Sorry....but you have just demonstrated that you have zero understanding of equal protection analysis. Why you just wrote is completely wrong.
    When the Courts look at Constitutional challenges they first determine whether there is a right/privilege that is being infringed upon. Then they decide the nature of that right/privilege (is it a fundamental right or not). Then they look at the status of the group affected and determine what level of scrutiny to apply to their analysis.
    Depending on the level that they choose, they determine whether the state meets its burden to justify the differentiation in treatment. Depending on the level, the Court requires the GOVERNMENT to demonstrate either a legitimate, important or compelling state interest that is furthered by the different treatment.

    So sir......sorry.....but you lose.

    Nice try though.
    Nonesense.. I applied my arguement to the exact question asked of a federal judge at the States position on a matter crucial to the question of discrimination. I answered it, even though the State of CA could not. Now, do you want to reply with a rebuttle, or would you rather argue over your qualifications as a lawyer?


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    Re: Court halts Calif. gay marriages pending appeal

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    What you think "Bigotry" is?

    Discrimination is often the end result of "bigotry", however, bigotry often exists without any overt discrimination.

    You might want to consult a dictionary.
    Again, nonesense? Wow? Bigotry is the holding of ones position in-spite of facts to the contrary. Discrimination is the prejudice towards something, or an object, with justification for doing so.


    Sheesh...???


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    Re: Court halts Calif. gay marriages pending appeal

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    Nonesense.. I applied my arguement to the exact question asked of a federal judge at the States position on a matter crucial to the question of discrimination. I answered it, even though the State of CA could not. Now, do you want to reply with a rebuttle, or would you rather argue over your qualifications as a lawyer?


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    Well.....seeing that you have no understanding of the analysis...it would prove pretty futile to try to educate you on the issue while trying to debate the issue.
    There is a very good reason why the lawyers supporting prop 8 didn't raise your failed argument. It wouldn't pass Constitutional muster. Because you don't understand the analysis, it would be impossible to engage you in an intelligent debate on the issue. Sorry.....but I don't have time to teach you the ropes....but go back to my last post and you can perhaps learn a little about the way Constitutional analysis works.
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    Re: Court halts Calif. gay marriages pending appeal

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    Again, nonesense? Wow? Bigotry is the holding of ones position in-spite of facts to the contrary. Discrimination is the prejudice towards something, or an object, with justification for doing so.


    Sheesh...???


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    Wow....you are so off....

    Like I said....consult a dictionary. They exist for a reason.
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    Re: Court halts Calif. gay marriages pending appeal

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Well.....seeing that you have no understanding of the analysis...it would prove pretty futile to try to educate you on the issue while trying to debate the issue.
    There is a very good reason why the lawyers supporting prop 8 didn't raise your failed argument. It wouldn't pass Constitutional muster. Because you don't understand the analysis, it would be impossible to engage you in an intelligent debate on the issue. Sorry.....but I don't have time to teach you the ropes....but go back to my last post and you can perhaps learn a little about the way Constitutional analysis works.
    The "State" needed to "justify" a vested interest in opposite sex marriage. My argument does exactly that. Now run away little man, next?



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    Re: Court halts Calif. gay marriages pending appeal

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    The "State" needed to "justify" a vested interest in opposite sex marriage. My argument does exactly that. Now run away little man, next?



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    One could also use that same argument for SSM. LGBT couples that enter into a marriage are more likely to adopt children, use artificial insemination, a surrogate etc.
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    Re: Court halts Calif. gay marriages pending appeal

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Wow....you are so off....

    Like I said....consult a dictionary. They exist for a reason.
    big·ot·ry   /ˈbɪgətri/ Show Spelled[big-uh-tree] Show IPA
    –noun, plural -ries
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    1. stubborn and complete intolerance of any creed, belief, or opinion that differs from one's own.
    If they were affected by facts they wouldn't be stubborn now would they?

    To discriminate is to make a judgement based on ANY one, two, or more criteria, that reflects the overall opinion of the one making the judgment. In the context of this debate, I am neither a bigot, nor am I discriminating without several criteria. I feel them justified, you do not. However, you have not shown why not?

    Now if that doesn't sit well with you, then so be it.. I'm ok with that. In other words, I don't care..


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    Re: Court halts Calif. gay marriages pending appeal

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    One could also use that same argument for SSM. LGBT couples that enter into a marriage are more likely to adopt children, use artificial insemination, a surrogate etc.
    Do you have evidence that this is so? Is it intrinsic to suggest that this would be the case?


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    Re: Court halts Calif. gay marriages pending appeal

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    If they were affected by facts they wouldn't be stubborn now would they?

    To discriminate is to make a judgement based on ANY one, two, or more criteria, that reflects the overall opinion of the one making the judgment. In the context of this debate, I am neither a bigot, nor am I discriminating without several criteria. I feel them justified, you do not. However, you have not shown why not?

    Now if that doesn't sit well with you, then so be it.. I'm ok with that. In other words, I don't care..


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    The anti-black bigots felt just as justified. It didn't make them any more correct than you. Sorry....just calling it as it is.
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    Re: Court halts Calif. gay marriages pending appeal

    Quote Originally Posted by chevydriver1123 View Post
    Again: How does this affect you?

    Stop asking such... dishonest questions Chevy, really. Does it have to "Personally" affect me for me to act? I never drink and drive, does that mean I shouldn't support DWI Laws? Cause after all, they don't "Affect me".

    I could go on all day with how silly you are being.
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