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    Re: Court halts Calif. gay marriages pending appeal

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    No, it is typically voided by a Judgment of Dissolution of Marriage or other court order.
    Which voids the Marriage License.
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    Re: Court halts Calif. gay marriages pending appeal

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    Which voids the Marriage License.
    Nope. Doesn't mention the license. In many states, there may not even be a license.

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    Re: Court halts Calif. gay marriages pending appeal

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    Nope. Doesn't mention the license. In many states, there may not even be a license.
    In some states, the contract is established in various means; such as in common law (which is rarely used anymore, but would also require a court to dissolve). However, in cases which involve the Marriage License, the Marriage License must be made void to be divorced. Otherwise, you remain married. The Judgment of Dissolution of Marriage voids the marriage license in question.
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    Re: Court halts Calif. gay marriages pending appeal

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    In some states, the contract is established in various means; such as in common law (which is rarely used anymore, but would also require a court to dissolve). However, in cases which involve the Marriage License, the Marriage License must be made void to be divorced. Otherwise, you remain married. The Judgment of Dissolution of Marriage voids the marriage license in question.
    Well it would be hard to hold a marriage license that reflects a dissolution of marriage, wouldn't it? I mean, doesn't that make sense to void the license if the marriage is no longer together? You're thinking the cart before the horse logic, and you make no sense. Look, lets move on, you and Rivrrat are/were wrong about the mariage contract. It isn't even that important to the point you were both trying to make? It's like you're arguing for the sake of arguing?


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    Re: Court halts Calif. gay marriages pending appeal

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    In some states, the contract is established in various means; such as in common law (which is rarely used anymore, but would also require a court to dissolve). However, in cases which involve the Marriage License, the Marriage License must be made void to be divorced. Otherwise, you remain married. The Judgment of Dissolution of Marriage voids the marriage license in question.
    Maybe you're confusing the marriage license with a marriage certificate? At least in my home state, A marriage license authorizes a qualified person to solemnize the marriage. The marriage certificate is the record that the marriage took place. Two separate things. When you get divorced, you may get a certificate of dissoultion of marriage. I don't see why the marriage certificate would be "void." It was valid and will remain valid in the eyes of the court for the period covering marriage to divorce.

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    Re: Court halts Calif. gay marriages pending appeal

    All I've seen from you have been deflection posts and seemingly a desire to not want to discuss the contract portion of the Marriage License. Makes one think you can't discuss the contract portion of the Marriage License.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

    Quote Originally Posted by A. de Tocqueville
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    Re: Court halts Calif. gay marriages pending appeal

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    Maybe you're confusing the marriage license with a marriage certificate? At least in my home state, A marriage license authorizes a qualified person to solemnize the marriage. The marriage certificate is the record that the marriage took place. Two separate things. When you get divorced, you may get a certificate of dissoultion of marriage. I don't see why the marriage certificate would be "void." It was valid and will remain valid in the eyes of the court for the period covering marriage to divorce.
    Well right, that's just like any other contract. But from that moment on the contract is void and both parties are not subject to its constraints or agreements anymore. Though obligation to the contract past may be required.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Court halts Calif. gay marriages pending appeal

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    All I've seen from you have been deflection posts and seemingly a desire to not want to discuss the contract portion of the Marriage License. Makes one think you can't discuss the contract portion of the Marriage License.
    The contract is made, either verbally, or in writing, or a combination of the two, and it is between the two people getting married, and their God. The states, all but one, ignore the marriage contract with no fault divorce. No one is deflecting, it's just that we've been over it. You and Rivrrat are just not getting it.


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    Re: Court halts Calif. gay marriages pending appeal

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    The contract is made, either verbally, or in writing, or a combination of the two, and it is between the two people getting married, and their God. The states, all but one, ignore the marriage contract with no fault divorce. No one is deflecting, it's just that we've been over it. You and Rivrrat are just not getting it.


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    Gods have no place in law. Thus the legal terms of marriage which allow for many privileges and other contractual abilities do not rely on specific gods. Marriage is no longer a religious institution; that was taken the moment the government implemented the Marriage License. The Marriage License became the state issued and recognized contract between the parties involved which grants several contractual privileges and abilities to the parties involved. The contract can be nullified if certain acts are perpetrated (such as cheating if monogamy was considered part of the marriage agreement) or if both parties choose to dissolve it (no fault divorce). Gods have nothing to do with the courts or contracts.

    I think the one not getting it is perhaps you.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

    Quote Originally Posted by A. de Tocqueville
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    Re: Court halts Calif. gay marriages pending appeal

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Gods have no place in law. Thus the legal terms of marriage which allow for many privileges and other contractual abilities do not rely on specific gods. Marriage is no longer a religious institution; that was taken the moment the government implemented the Marriage License. The Marriage License became the state issued and recognized contract between the parties involved which grants several contractual privileges and abilities to the parties involved. The contract can be nullified if certain acts are perpetrated (such as cheating if monogamy was considered part of the marriage agreement) or if both parties choose to dissolve it (no fault divorce). Gods have nothing to do with the courts or contracts.

    I think the one not getting it is perhaps you.
    Ok then.. Next?


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