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    Re: Court halts Calif. gay marriages pending appeal

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    You must use government force to forbid same sex couples from entering the contract of marriage. Force is the only tool that can suppress the exercise of rights, and government force the most used of all tools to do so. If there was no government force here, there would be no issue as same sex couples could then marry.

    So do you think you can now answer my question?
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    Re: Court halts Calif. gay marriages pending appeal

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    Case closed.. LOL This is your argument? That a license is the same as a contract.

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    The marriage license is the formal contract. Do you not know what a contract is? Whatever you may say inform of your priest or god or Elvis in Vegas is irrelevant. What matters is that marriage license. That's what the government recognizes, and that's what declares you officially married, and that's what gets you all the legal benefits. If you have no way to argue against it, I suppose this is where your argument comes to an end. But if all you got is claiming the Marriage License is not a contract, well then you ain't got ****.
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    Re: Court halts Calif. gay marriages pending appeal

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    Not fundamental, legislative, there is an important distinction between the two.


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    I don't think either of those reasons is enough for government to get involved. Yet they did. That's the truth of the matter. Government wants their money, government wants to keep tabs on people, for that reason marriage remains an interest to them. I don't think government has any legitimate place in marriage personally. Best left to the churches. But marriage is a purely secular, contractual thing so long as the Marriage License exists.

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    You can do whatever you want, it's a free country. Nothing I said there is wrong though. It was also a concept Conservatives (real conservatives) once knew very well.
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    Re: Court halts Calif. gay marriages pending appeal

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    The marriage license is the formal contract. Do you not know what a contract is? Whatever you may say inform of your priest or god or Elvis in Vegas is irrelevant. What matters is that marriage license. That's what the government recognizes, and that's what declares you officially married, and that's what gets you all the legal benefits. If you have no way to argue against it, I suppose this is where your argument comes to an end. But if all you got is claiming the Marriage License is not a contract, well then you ain't got ****.
    Here's a Marriage license for the state of CA. http://www.cdph.ca.gov/pubsforms/for...orms/vs116.pdf

    Wanna show me how exactly this is a contract? What are the terms of the "license". What are the obligations for either party to the license? What is the obligation of the state in terms of the license?

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    Re: Court halts Calif. gay marriages pending appeal

    That's nothing but a contract. I mean, what the hell else would it be? They are formally and through written and notarized means entering into a contract. You've given the application for the Marriage License, but not all the documentation to what is entailed in the Marriage License. You fill that out, and then after the ceremony (typically) you sign the marriage license itself. The Marriage License itself is a contract between two people which has many many legal ramifications. Those ramifications being the primary "benefit" of the contract. So the application.

    I mean, come on. You are going to have to be somewhat reasonable here. You can't honestly deny that the Marriage License constitutes a contract. Any human knows that it does.
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    Re: Court halts Calif. gay marriages pending appeal

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    Not my job, read the damn thread. I don't do lazy...


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    but I have and still have yet to see a vaild reason to keep it illegal.
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    Re: Court halts Calif. gay marriages pending appeal

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    You must use government force to forbid same sex couples from entering the contract of marriage. Force is the only tool that can suppress the exercise of rights, and government force the most used of all tools to do so. If there was no government force here, there would be no issue as same sex couples could then marry.

    So do you think you can now answer my question?
    Same sex couples can marry. This is a question of whether or not the state should be forced to recognize those marriages. The state has identified a number of "prerequisites" to determine which marriages are "valid" for recognition. State interests underly those prerequisites. Procreation is one interest that has been identified in relevant case law. What other interest might the state have in restricting marriages between related individuals?

    Do you not agree that the state has a significant interest in promoting responsible procreation within long term, committed relationships?

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    Re: Court halts Calif. gay marriages pending appeal

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    but I have and still have yet to see a vaild reason to keep it illegal.
    It's not illegal. There is no crime against homosexuality. The issue is not recognizing homosexual unions as marriage, because that relationship is not a marriage.
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    Neil Patrick Harris and his partner of many years are about to become parents through a surrogate. As long as there is a female somewhere in the picture, anybody can create a family.

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    Um, I hope that helps you out a little.


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    Re: Court halts Calif. gay marriages pending appeal

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    Case closed.. LOL This is your argument? That a license is the same as a contract.

    Next, please..

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    You're not seriously suggesting that the marriage license isn't a contract, are you? Seriously?

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