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    Re: Court halts Calif. gay marriages pending appeal

    Quote Originally Posted by zip98053 View Post
    What is the vested state interest that is not served by allowing a pair of people to form a financial pairing that gives them benefits that would otherwise not be available to them?

    If you can, please try to avoid the pretentious pejoratives about relative mental capabilities.
    But they can already. Without marriage.. Next...


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    Re: Court halts Calif. gay marriages pending appeal

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    Do you understand what instrinsic means?




    Um, I hope that helps you out a little.


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    Re: Court halts Calif. gay marriages pending appeal

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    And your little definition matters how?
    Oh my?


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    Re: Court halts Calif. gay marriages pending appeal

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    It's not assumption so much as it is a pressumption. One is diredted by law, the other is not.

    My argument is legal in nature not philosophical, as your is? Why is there an instrinsic pressumption that gays will procreate?


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    Why, then, is there a presumption that the reason that the government gives special privileges to marriage is to encourage procreation?

    I think that the government should either not be in the business of marriage, or not be in the business of deciding how people pair off.

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    Re: Court halts Calif. gay marriages pending appeal

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    They have children, but they are not pressumed to have a wanting of children. Do I have to spell this out to you?


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    Wait a minute. Really? Gays shouldn't get married because you make a faulty assumption? This has to be one of the stupider arguments I have ever heard. Let's look at some numbers:

    http://www.law.ucla.edu/williamsinst...tionReport.pdf

    More than one in three lesbians have given birth and one in six gay men have fathered or adopted a child.
    • More than half of gay men and 41 percent of lesbians want to have a child.
    • An estimated two million GLB people are interested in adopting.
    • An estimated 65,500 adopted children are living with a lesbian or gay parent.
    • More than 16,000 adopted children are living with lesbian and gay parents in California, the highest number among the states.
    Looks like gays do want kids....

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    Re: Court halts Calif. gay marriages pending appeal

    I knew the stay would probably be extended, and I do think it is appropriate even though I support SSM. Let the process run it's court, I think we will win in the end(see what I did there?).
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    Re: Court halts Calif. gay marriages pending appeal

    Quote Originally Posted by zip98053 View Post
    Why, then, is there a presumption that the reason that the government gives special privileges to marriage is to encourage procreation?

    I think that the government should either not be in the business of marriage, or not be in the business of deciding how people pair off.
    That, Sir, is left up to you to decide. Legally, there us a real identifiable need for it. It is the entire basis of my argument.


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    Re: Court halts Calif. gay marriages pending appeal

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Wait a minute. Really? Gays shouldn't get married because you make a faulty assumption? This has to be one of the stupider arguments I have ever heard. Let's look at some numbers:

    http://www.law.ucla.edu/williamsinst...tionReport.pdf



    Looks like gays do want kids....

    By the way, we call this actually documenting claims, instead of just making **** up.
    So, I want to smoke weed. No I don't really, but it is as ridiculous as your argument. Why would a homosexual who cannot bear children with the one they love want to have kids in the "same-way" a heterosexual couple does. How efficient is it?



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    Re: Court halts Calif. gay marriages pending appeal

    still have yet to hear one good reason against Gay marriage..I can't believe we are still debating this in 2010, lets just legalize it and move on to more important things.
    I use a lot of satire and sarcasm so keep that in mind when reading my posts.

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    Re: Court halts Calif. gay marriages pending appeal

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    But they can already. Without marriage.. Next...


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    Can you say non sequitur?

    Who can do what aleady without marriage?

    If the government would simply allows civil unions to any pair that wants to form a civil union, and then gives that pair the same rights and privileges as they currently give to married couples, then we can get the government out of the marriage discussion. The government would not have to condone or prevent marriage. It simply allows these civil unions and then marriage reverts to what it has been historically, a religious ceremony.

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