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    Judge: State ban on protests at military funerals unconstitutional

    Ah ****.

    Judge: State ban on protests at military funerals unconstitutional - CNN.com

    Washington (CNN) -- Missouri's tight restrictions on protests and picketing outside military funerals were tossed out by a federal judge Monday, over free speech concerns.

    A small Kansas church had brought suit over its claimed right to loudly march outside the burials and memorial services of those killed in overseas conflicts. The state legislature had passed a law to keep members of the Topeka-based Westboro Baptist Church from demonstrating within 300 feet of such private services.

    Church members, led by pastor Fred Phelps, believe God is punishing the United States for "the sin of homosexuality" through events including soldiers' deaths. Members have traveled the country, shouting at grieving family members at funerals and displaying such signs as "Thank God for Dead Soldiers," "God Blew Up the Troops" and "AIDS Cures Fags."

    The Supreme Court last year had granted a temporary injunction blocking enforcement of the law until it could be challenged. The justices will hear a similar challenge this fall involving the same church.

    Judge Fernando Gaitan in a 19-page order, dismissed the state legislation.
    You know, I may disagree with the judges ruling, but he's probably not wrong. Much as I hate the Westboro Baptist church and believe me I do. Is it HIGHLY unfortunately their right to do their hateful crap. Unless anyone here has a legal solution to this dilemna?

    I'd certainly like to hear about it, cause the WBC is bull****, sick bastards. Which is why I have such respect for the patriot guard riders who went out and did what they did for as many families as they could, I thought that was really really cool.

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    Re: Judge: State ban on protests at military funerals unconstitutional

    I figured that this was likely. These people are assholes, but assholes have a right to free speech, even if it offends us.

    Actually, free speech isn't happening, in a lot of cases, if we AREN'T being offended. If that makes sense...If everything is sanitized, cleaned up, pc'ed, real free speech isn't actually happening.

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    Re: Judge: State ban on protests at military funerals unconstitutional

    What "solution" do you have in mind?

    Gotta say, Jet, this post is in pretty stark contrast to many of the things you said in the NYC mosque thread.
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    Re: Judge: State ban on protests at military funerals unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    What "solution" do you have in mind?

    Gotta say, Jet, this post is in pretty stark contrast to many of the things you said in the NYC mosque thread.
    Well IMHO unless the Mosque is holding up a sign saying Thank God for 9/11 I'd say your point is pretty moot.

    As I said "As much as I disagree they have the right..."

    Still pains me to see that at an actual funeral people would do such a thing. It seems like it's infringing on the rights of others, but unfortunately there is no right written anywhere to have a peaceful funeral free of jerks

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    Re: Judge: State ban on protests at military funerals unconstitutional

    Not really. You're disappointed that their right to free speech was upheld, even going so far as to ask if there were other ways around it.

    But in the mosque thread, it began and ended with their (Park51's) constitutional rights. The substance of the objection didn't matter.

    Look, I'm not trying to berate you for it, but it is inconsistent. Just hoping it helps illustrate that things aren't so black and white.
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    Re: Judge: State ban on protests at military funerals unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Not really. You're disappointed that their right to free speech was upheld, even going so far as to ask if there were other ways around it.

    But in the mosque thread, it began and ended with their (Park51's) constitutional rights. The substance of the objection didn't matter.

    Look, I'm not trying to berate you for it, but it is inconsistent. Just hoping it helps illustrate that things aren't so black and white.
    Hmmmm....

    I guess in a way you are correct. However, I do see it as a little different.

    In one, it's 2 blocks away from a hole in a ground, where funerals don't go on every single day for the victims, and muslims dont stand outside their mosque, holding signs praising 9/11 as the procession goes past.

    And you know how the other one goes with the WBC.

    Yes fine, I hate the fact they have a right to be assholes. And to be consistent we don't have the right to pick and choose what rights we give people or not. I've said many times in the GZM threads that I think it's a bad idea and offered solutions to move the mosque elsewhere to stop offending everyone. However, having said that, I don't see it as a gross infringment of rights to have them protest at least 300 meters away? They still get to protest don't they?

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    Re: Judge: State ban on protests at military funerals unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    Ah ****.

    Judge: State ban on protests at military funerals unconstitutional - CNN.com

    You know, I may disagree with the judges ruling, but he's probably not wrong. Much as I hate the Westboro Baptist church and believe me I do. Is it HIGHLY unfortunately their right to do their hateful crap. Unless anyone here has a legal solution to this dilemna?

    I'd certainly like to hear about it, cause the WBC is bull****, sick bastards. Which is why I have such respect for the patriot guard riders who went out and did what they did for as many families as they could, I thought that was really really cool.
    Those Patriot Guard Riders will probably be back. I hope so. If there is a God, I'm pretty sure he has something very special in store for those members participating in those mean-spirited demonstrations.
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    Re: Judge: State ban on protests at military funerals unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    Hmmmm....

    I guess in a way you are correct. However, I do see it as a little different.

    In one, it's 2 blocks away from a hole in a ground, where funerals don't go on every single day for the victims, and muslims dont stand outside their mosque, holding signs praising 9/11 as the procession goes past.

    And you know how the other one goes with the WBC.

    Yes fine, I hate the fact they have a right to be assholes. And to be consistent we don't have the right to pick and choose what rights we give people or not. I've said many times in the GZM threads that I think it's a bad idea and offered solutions to move the mosque elsewhere to stop offending everyone. However, having said that, I don't see it as a gross infringment of rights to have them protest at least 300 meters away? They still get to protest don't they?
    I would say that the people protesting in NY see the "hole in the ground" about the same way you see the funerals.
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    Re: Judge: State ban on protests at military funerals unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    I would say that the people protesting in NY see the "hole in the ground" about the same way you see the funerals.
    Would people feel the same way if something was being rebuilt there?

    What ever happened to the Freedom Tower?

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    Re: Judge: State ban on protests at military funerals unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    Would people feel the same way if something was being rebuilt there?
    Probably not, and I have said so. But that's beside the point. The way they feel about Ground Zero is how you feel about those funerals.
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