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    Re: Judge: State ban on protests at military funerals unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I'm waiting for all the Libbos, who support the right of the Ground Zero mosque to be built, to swoop in and support the rights of the Westboro Church, too. Where ya'll at? Hmm?
    The First Amendment guarantees their right to free speech too. What is supposed to be so controversial about that?

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    Re: Judge: State ban on protests at military funerals unconstitutional

    If we don't believe in freedom of expression for people we despise, we don't believe in it at all. ~Noam Chomsky

    It's interesting to me that these days, people calling themselves "very conservative" no longer believe in the constitution. Whether it's Westboro, the "ground zero" mosque, proposition 8... what happened to you people? Somebody really needs to come along and clean up the Republican party, it's pathetic to see what these people are endorsing. Besides, I'd love to see a party that embraces values I could vote for, since many Democrats these days are just as corrupt and partisan. I'll keep dreaming, I suppose.
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    Re: Judge: State ban on protests at military funerals unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    Ah ****.

    Judge: State ban on protests at military funerals unconstitutional - CNN.com


    You know, I may disagree with the judges ruling, but he's probably not wrong. Much as I hate the Westboro Baptist church and believe me I do. Is it HIGHLY unfortunately their right to do their hateful crap. Unless anyone here has a legal solution to this dilemna?

    I'd certainly like to hear about it, cause the WBC is bull****, sick bastards. Which is why I have such respect for the patriot guard riders who went out and did what they did for as many families as they could, I thought that was really really cool.


    Damn 1st Amendment (he said, tongue firmly in cheek).

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    Re: Judge: State ban on protests at military funerals unconstitutional

    I don't think many are surprised at this ruling. It was just about the only possible outcome. Freedoms are the most important when they are hardest to grant.
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    Re: Judge: State ban on protests at military funerals unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    And finally we come to an agreeance. I can understand that, I actually can.

    The trouble is, the road to painting all Islam is terror. It's such an easy road to go down it's scary. And that's the only thing I wish to avoid.

    A good portion of the reasoning to oppose the mosque has included many lies about certain aspects of it, and a good deal of islamophobia. Which I don't appreciate.
    I think what he's getting at in a generla sense is this:

    At times there are thing so offensive, so glaringly WRONG, in our eyes that even though we understand the law and the constitution and agree with it bieng upheld...it doesn't change the fact that deep down we'd really, really want to see the opposite happen in this one instance.

    For you, you feel that way towards the WBC protesting funerals. Others feel that way about the mosque. You justify why you think its okay in one instance and not in the other, they justify why its okay in their instance. You're no different then them, you're experiencing the exact same emotion, you're just attempting to rationalize why yours is "better."

    I think its a normal human emotion for people to express what you're saying here and what some are saying in the mosque thread. I think the issue is in EITHER instance is when people go from wishing it could be different, but realizing the more important thing is adherance to the constitution and our laws to instead feeling like thier particular issue is a worth while and legitimate reason to IGNORE the constitution and legitimatelly **** on it.

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    Re: Judge: State ban on protests at military funerals unconstitutional

    Oh, and just to make sure I get my daily "claim he's a libbo" in...

    WBC most assuredly does have the right to do this. Its wrong of them, horrible, disgusting, and pathetic on their part. Put me on a Jury and I'd probably never convict someone who punched one of them out, "temporary insanity". But in regards to the actual law, and respecting the constitution because I am not a "when-it-benefits-me-constructionist"...this is the correct ruling.

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    Re: Judge: State ban on protests at military funerals unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Oh, and just to make sure I get my daily "claim he's a libbo" in...

    WBC most assuredly does have the right to do this. Its wrong of them, horrible, disgusting, and pathetic on their part. Put me on a Jury and I'd probably never convict someone who punched one of them out, "temporary insanity". But in regards to the actual law, and respecting the constitution because I am not a "when-it-benefits-me-constructionist"...this is the correct ruling.
    One of those things I find odd...

    I find the WBC group about as offensive as can be. Even if they protested at just gay soldiers funerals, at least it would make sense, but protesting at the funerals of soldiers who not only where not gay, but had no control over the policy...that is just vile and insane.

    However, if I was on the jury in your case of some one punching one of them out, if he did it, I would have to vote guilty, because I think laws are laws. I would not like doing it, it would be painful, but that is how I am.
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    Re: Judge: State ban on protests at military funerals unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    I think what he's getting at in a generla sense is this:

    At times there are thing so offensive, so glaringly WRONG, in our eyes that even though we understand the law and the constitution and agree with it bieng upheld...it doesn't change the fact that deep down we'd really, really want to see the opposite happen in this one instance.

    For you, you feel that way towards the WBC protesting funerals. Others feel that way about the mosque. You justify why you think its okay in one instance and not in the other, they justify why its okay in their instance. You're no different then them, you're experiencing the exact same emotion, you're just attempting to rationalize why yours is "better."

    I think its a normal human emotion for people to express what you're saying here and what some are saying in the mosque thread. I think the issue is in EITHER instance is when people go from wishing it could be different, but realizing the more important thing is adherance to the constitution and our laws to instead feeling like thier particular issue is a worth while and legitimate reason to IGNORE the constitution and legitimatelly **** on it.


    You're right about one thing. My feelings in this matter are far stronger then the Mosque ones.

    But as I said, my issue is the slippery slope to painting all Islam as terror. There's a fine line where prejudice starts, and persecution begins, you don't see me in here trying to paint all Christians as WBC.

    My position on both matters I think was pretty clear, both have the rights to do what they're doing, but they really shouldn't be. Shoot me for being more emotionally involved in this case, because it's the families day to say their final goodbyes to their loved one, and there are a bunch of assholes standing there with signs saying "Thank god for dead troops" and "Fag troops this and that". It's a direct affront, as opposed to the mosque which is I believe is more of a suspected affront.

    The Mosque might be an intentional kick in your teeth, but more likely not. Unless you're suggesting that the muslims will stand outside the mosque holding up signs praising allah for killing the infidels, in which case I'll be there to throw some pulled pork sandwiches at them, I think the suggestion that we should tell them to take their private land and their freedom of religion, pack it up and **** off might be a little far, they at this point should do it voluntarily to perhaps stop pissing you off but telling a bunch of pricks, to stand 300 meters away from a grieving family does not seem like a gross infringement of constitutional rights to me.

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    Re: Judge: State ban on protests at military funerals unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Those Patriot Guard Riders will probably be back. I hope so. If there is a God, I'm pretty sure he has something very special in store for those members participating in those mean-spirited demonstrations.
    I know some of these people, and I can tell you that they are veterans or family members, and are fanatical about what they do. If there is a way to "discourage" these protesters, I'm sure they'll find it.
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    Re: Judge: State ban on protests at military funerals unconstitutional

    How many other churches are in the vicinity of this mosque location?
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