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    Re: Teachers union threatens ‘massive boycott’ of Los Angeles Times

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    Sweet! Thanks! How long ago did you take that course?
    1989 --- a lifetime ago it seems.
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    Re: Teachers union threatens ‘massive boycott’ of Los Angeles Times

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    1985 --- a lifetime ago it seems.
    1991 for me. Definitely a lifetime ago.

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    Re: Teachers union threatens ‘massive boycott’ of Los Angeles Times

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Pay should be negotiated on an individual level.
    There are a lot of teachers and a lot of people who want to be teachers.
    They shouldn't have high pay because we've built it into being some holy rollin, noble profession.
    It's a job.
    I taught in Georgia. In Georgia, there is no such thing as hard tenure and unions are relatively weak. Base pay is set by the state (not unions) with each school district (usually, but not always, by county) adding a supplement.

    The pay should be higher because the qualifications to teach are relatively high compared to other jobs of comparable salaries.

    Unionizing has caused disastrous results, especially because your customers are captive to you.
    They have to buy the product whether they want it or not.
    I am not a big fan of liberal unions, that is to be sure. If you want to get better teachers who are not beholden to liberal unions and ideas, pay them more.

    It's not right that I still have to pay for the local school.
    It's called taxes. Tuition-free education is considered a basic human right and nearly all developed countries provide tuition-free education through ninth grade.

    My wife instructs my kids.
    Good for her. Not everyone has the time to do that. There are many two-earner families nowadays...

    That's why I said it shouldn't be compulsory, not to forget that the budget would be lean and based on cost efficiency.
    Education ought to be compulsory for at least 12 years. High school dropouts are far more likely to be on the public dole than those who graduate.

    I've had it with state managed education.
    Then get involved and support reforms, including higher pay for teachers, that will actuall improve the situation rather than throwing out the baby with the bathwater. Strong public education has a long history in the U.S. I am not willing to give up on it and in the future when I return to the U.S., I will endeaver to provide each of my students with the best education I can in the social studies as I did before I came here.

    The same things have been happening for at least 30 years and they have no intention of really changing for the positive, all the while a bunch of children fall to the way side because of their inaction.
    I am not pleased with the liberal movement in the profession. I hated it, in fact.

    They have had their chance, they need the boot in total.
    There are still excellent schools out there. Part of the problem is the culture toward education. In states and communities that have strong support for education, there are still very good results. Again, I see no compelling reason to throw out the baby with the bathwater.
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    Re: Teachers union threatens ‘massive boycott’ of Los Angeles Times

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Homeschooled kids are frequently, if not always the top percentile of educated per grade level in the United States.


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    Most homeschooled children come from upper-middle class backgrounds with parents who themselves have a good education and have the time and resources to devote to their children. Most people do not have that luxury.
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    Re: Teachers union threatens ‘massive boycott’ of Los Angeles Times

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    I am married to an English professor (and me being from the south...oh boy dont we have a lot of fun...) and her family has several teachers as well. I very much value teachers and think they are underpaid and underappreciated. That doesnt change the fact that there are some real piece of **** teachers (like there are professionals in EVERY field) and those people MUST be identified and removed...especially when in such an important role. Teachers HATE testing...God knows I hear it from my relatives all the time. Wah. Our education system is struggling and at SOME point those abject failures have to be identified and removed. People say if you test, then teachers will teach to the test. Well...1-thats only true if they know the test, and 2-Thank GOD...at least they are teaching SOMETHING for a change.
    I pretty much agree. Poor teachers need to be removed. However, the testing models often used to evaluate teacher's performance are typically significantly flawed. I don't mind being assessed, but the key is to provide a VALID and ACCURATE assessment of the teacher's performance. There at too many variables to make a straight up and down multiple choice test taken by students to make that type of assessment valid.
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    Re: Teachers union threatens ‘massive boycott’ of Los Angeles Times

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Im pretty sure she was making a joke...could have applied to just about anywhere.
    I was actually thinking Alabama, where unless the law has changed, one can get married at age 14.
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    Re: Teachers union threatens ‘massive boycott’ of Los Angeles Times

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    Go to a liberal arts college if you want critical thinking.
    What, you just want simple "stuff the duck" spit out what the teacher says education? Wow. What a step backward from when I was in high school...
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    Re: Teachers union threatens ‘massive boycott’ of Los Angeles Times

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    CEOS are graded on the greed-o-meter.
    Do you have anything constructive to say on any thread these days?
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    Re: Teachers union threatens ‘massive boycott’ of Los Angeles Times

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    Most homeschooled children come from upper-middle class backgrounds with parents who themselves have a good education and have the time and resources to devote to their children. Most people do not have that luxury.

    Can you show empirically that to be the case?

    Oh, and side note question, the average teaching salary today is about $45K. What do you consider to be an acceptable salary?


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    Re: Teachers union threatens ‘massive boycott’ of Los Angeles Times

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    What, you just want simple "stuff the duck" spit out what the teacher says education? Wow. What a step backward from when I was in high school...
    Not at al, but discussion style teaching requires small class sizes. The smallest class I had in high school was 25 kids and that was AP English where we were supposed to have a small class size. Can't do discussion wih 25 kids. I had to wait until my liberal arts college to have class sizes around 14.

    So if you can do it in high school, then do it.

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