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    Re: Teachers union threatens ‘massive boycott’ of Los Angeles Times

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    I agree with much of what you say but I DO think teachers should at the very least get paid more...but until they find a way to create a standard then they shouldnt be paid individually. Then salary because poltical...who you know...who you blow...
    I think teachers have had their ego's stroked a bit to much.
    Their profession is no more noble or good than any other.

    They choose their career path.

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    And I have great respect for homeschoolers, but like people that never have kids have to pay taxes (public schools...greater societal good...all that bull****) then you should still have to pay for public schools. maybe an education voucher would be the way to go for homeschoolers.
    I disagree with institutionalized education, so I don't think it serves the public good as much as it is played out to be.

    The majority of people were learning to read, write and do math way before the state organized education.
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    Re: Teachers union threatens ‘massive boycott’ of Los Angeles Times

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    I think teachers have had their ego's stroked a bit to much.
    Their profession is no more noble or good than any other.

    They choose their career path.

    I disagree with institutionalized education, so I don't think it serves the public good as much as it is played out to be.

    The majority of people were learning to read, write and do math way before the state organized education.
    OK...so we disagree...

    But I really think you will find that historically boys didnt go to school to learn to read, write, and do rithmatic...historically...until there was a shift in social climate, kids went to school til about 7th grade, then went to work on the farms.

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    Re: Teachers union threatens ‘massive boycott’ of Los Angeles Times

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    OK...so we disagree...
    For the most part, yes.

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    But I really think you will find that historically boys didnt go to school to learn to read, write, and do rithmatic...historically...until there was a shift in social climate, kids went to school til about 7th grade, then went to work on the farms.
    They did though.

    80% (of white people) literacy rate in the 1870's is very telling.
    If they didn't go past 7th grade, it probably wasn't necessary.

    I totally against any kind of federal or state involvement in education.
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    Re: Teachers union threatens ‘massive boycott’ of Los Angeles Times

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Im pretty sure she was making a joke...could have applied to just about anywhere.
    One has to have a sense of humor to recognize humor, I think.

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    Re: Teachers union threatens ‘massive boycott’ of Los Angeles Times

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    read this and see:
    //www.mensafoundation.org/Sites/foundation/NavigationMenu/Publications/Journal/Samplearticle/SampleArticle.htm

    those home schoolers who go to four year colleges have equivalent college performance when compared to those who attended public schools
    however, a smaller portion of the home schooled students go on to higher education ... and that is especially pronounced when compared to students in public school honors programs

    compared to the the public school graduates, a smaller portion of the home school graduates appear less qualified - or possibly they are only less inclined - to pursue a higher formal education

    Hmmmm....Well Bubba, I would submit to you that you didn't read far enough down to understand your own study....It says:

    The average first-year GPAs, credits earned in the first year, ACT Composite test scores, and ACT English, Mathematics, Reading, and Science and Reasoning subtests for home school graduates were all higher than traditional high school graduates.
    Also we do have a study from the US Dept. of Education that says:

    The U.S. Dept of Education sponsored a study that showed home schooled children's test scores were exceptionally high. Even the median scores for all grades were much bigger than those students of public, Catholic or private schools. For grades one through four, average home schooled students were generally one grade higher than their counterparts in public school. By the equivalent of eighth grade, those home schooled students were generally considered four years ahead of those in public school.

    A big part of those results were a consequence of public schools doing very poorly, not just that home schooling performs better. Even then, home schooled students generally surpassed students even from private schools.

    Home School Versus Public or Private Education: Which is Better? - Associated Content - associatedcontent.com

    Now you can say all you want that by the time that students reach collage level course study that they are statistically the same, you have to also take in to factor the drop out rates of public schools, the rates of how many go on to collage from High School, and so on. The MENSA study in that regard I would say it fatally flawed.


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    Re: Teachers union threatens ‘massive boycott’ of Los Angeles Times

    1. Teaching Math In 1950

    A logger sells a truckload of lumber for $100. His cost of production is 4/5 of the price. What is his profit?

    2. Teaching Math In 1960

    A logger sells a truckload of lumber for $100. His cost of production is 4/5 of th e price, or $80. What is his profit?

    3. Teaching Math In 1970

    A logger sells a truckload of lumber for $100. His cost of production is $80. Did he make a profit?

    4. Teaching Math In 1980

    A logger sells a truckload of lumber for $100. His cost of production is $80 and his profit is $20. Your assignment: Underline the number 20.

    5. Teaching Math In 1990

    A logger cuts down a beautiful forest because he is selfish and
    inconsiderate and cares nothing for the habitat of animals or the
    preservation of our woodlands. He does this so he can make a profit of $20. What do you think of this way of making a living? Topic for class participation after answering the question: How did the birds and squirrels feel as the logger cut down their homes? ( There are no wrong answers.)

    6. Teaching Math In 2006

    Un hachero vende una carretada de maderapara $100. El costo de la
    producciones es $80. Cuanto dinero ha hecho?

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    Re: Teachers union threatens ‘massive boycott’ of Los Angeles Times

    Quote Originally Posted by fishinRod View Post
    1. Teaching Math In 1950

    A logger sells a truckload of lumber for $100. His cost of production is 4/5 of the price. What is his profit?

    2. Teaching Math In 1960

    A logger sells a truckload of lumber for $100. His cost of production is 4/5 of th e price, or $80. What is his profit?

    3. Teaching Math In 1970

    A logger sells a truckload of lumber for $100. His cost of production is $80. Did he make a profit?

    4. Teaching Math In 1980

    A logger sells a truckload of lumber for $100. His cost of production is $80 and his profit is $20. Your assignment: Underline the number 20.

    5. Teaching Math In 1990

    A logger cuts down a beautiful forest because he is selfish and
    inconsiderate and cares nothing for the habitat of animals or the
    preservation of our woodlands. He does this so he can make a profit of $20. What do you think of this way of making a living? Topic for class participation after answering the question: How did the birds and squirrels feel as the logger cut down their homes? ( There are no wrong answers.)

    6. Teaching Math In 2006

    Un hachero vende una carretada de maderapara $100. El costo de la
    producciones es $80. Cuanto dinero ha hecho?

    Ahhh that's ****ing GREAT!!!!


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    Re: Teachers union threatens ‘massive boycott’ of Los Angeles Times

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    It's funny because the teachers think you can judge a student by a test.
    Hmm... isn't that the way the local and state governments judge a student?
    Isn't that the way Colleges judge a student? Isn't that the way employers judge a former student?


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    Re: Teachers union threatens ‘massive boycott’ of Los Angeles Times

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Im pretty sure she was making a joke...could have applied to just about anywhere.
    That is what sarcasm tags are for.

    And for it to be classified as a joke, humor is a requirment.
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    Re: Teachers union threatens ‘massive boycott’ of Los Angeles Times

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Hmm... isn't that the way the local and state governments judge a student?
    Isn't that the way Colleges judge a student? Isn't that the way employers judge a former student?


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    Definitely and the way the LA times was calculating it, was over a period of 5 years.

    So if they really believe that this is how they impart knowledge, they shouldn't have a care in the world and the results should speak for themselves.
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