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    Re: Teachers union threatens ‘massive boycott’ of Los Angeles Times

    The problem with testing is that teachers end up teaching kids how to pass the test instead of really teaching kids the 3 R's, or anything else that is going to be beneficial to them in later grades, college, or even life. It is no wonder so many kids are flunking out of school these days, and whose fault is it? The kids and their parents must take part of the blame, and I heap the rest of it on school districts, which don't give a damn about anything else but having an appearance that they are teaching, when they are not doing anything like that at all.

    Yes, I live in Houston, which is a long way from LA, but they do have issues of the LA times at the news stand downtown. I am going to purchase one to show my support for the paper.
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    Re: Teachers union threatens ‘massive boycott’ of Los Angeles Times

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    The problem with testing is that teachers end up teaching kids how to pass the test instead of really teaching kids the 3 R's, or anything else that is going to be beneficial to them in later grades, college, or even life. It is no wonder so many kids are flunking out of school these days, and whose fault is it? The kids and their parents must take part of the blame, and I heap the rest of it on school districts, which don't give a damn about anything else but having an appearance that they are teaching, when they are not doing anything like that at all.

    Yes, I live in Houston, which is a long way from LA, but they do have issues of the LA times at the news stand downtown. I am going to purchase one to show my support for the paper.
    The school my kids are supposed to go to doesn't even go that far.

    It's a bottom performer with the feds AYP, so what do they do?
    Build a brand new facility for them.

    That's like shoveling **** from one hole to another and calling it improved.
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    Re: Teachers union threatens ‘massive boycott’ of Los Angeles Times

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Can you IMAGINE grading someone based on test performance??? No WONDER the teachers union is so upset.
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    Re: Teachers union threatens ‘massive boycott’ of Los Angeles Times

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    The Los Angeles teachers union president said Sunday he was organizing a “massive boycott” of The Times after the newspaper began publishing a series of articles that uses student test scores to estimate the effectiveness of district teachers.

    “You’re leading people in a dangerous direction, making it seem like you can judge the quality of a teacher by … a test,” said A.J. Duffy, president of United Teachers Los Angeles, which has more than 40,000 members.

    Can you IMAGINE grading someone based on test performance??? No WONDER the teachers union is so upset.

    I can't believe that union president actually said that with a straight face.
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    Re: Teachers union threatens ‘massive boycott’ of Los Angeles Times

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    You have the same teacher, both very competant -- you put one in a culture of educational excellence and another in the inner city and which one do YOU think will get better test results???
    I suspect they probably arent just randomly testing and throwing teachers to the wolves. But since teachers and unions are SO opposed to standards (and golly...I wonder why...) then what would you propose as a measure of teacher effectiveness?

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    Re: Teachers union threatens ‘massive boycott’ of Los Angeles Times

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    I'm not a fan of institutional education.
    This is what happens when even states have some sort of control.
    It allows teachers to unionize, bureaucrats to waste and parents to get lazy.
    All at the detriment of the student.
    I did not join a union when I was teaching in the States, and this was true of a large number of other teachers at the school I taught at. I was fortunate in that I was in a good school with a supportive community. I have no problems with unionization because in some places it is definately needed and in general teachers are still underpaid considering the professional qualifications that are required to be an eductator.
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    Re: Teachers union threatens ‘massive boycott’ of Los Angeles Times

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    State involvement is less bad but still not right.
    I don't want my kid subject to the possibility of learning about Jesus riding dinosaurs.
    Then send your kid to a private school.

    I am not crazy about that either, but in local communities it would be even worse, I assure you...
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    Re: Teachers union threatens ‘massive boycott’ of Los Angeles Times

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    I suspect they probably arent just randomly testing and throwing teachers to the wolves. But since teachers and unions are SO opposed to standards (and golly...I wonder why...) then what would you propose as a measure of teacher effectiveness?
    I am a teacher and I support standards, though many of the standards they are making I think are superficial and poorly thought out. I would rather focus on developing critical thinking skills (among high school students, which is what I teach) rather than focus on wrote memorization, which is what most of these tests encourate.

    I would use a combination of observation and results, but those results have to be looked at over time with a clearly developed baseline. I taught a lot of ESL kids when I was in the States. Great kids and I loved the work, but it was hard. And if you thought these kids were going to score 500 on the verbal part of their SAT, you had another thing coming. Not fair to compare the scores of that teacher to another who is teaching AP classes. Also, it is hard to compare year to year because students change from year to year. One year, I might teach ESL level 1 students, the next I may have Level 3 and mainstream classes. You can't compare the results from year to year.
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    Re: Teachers union threatens ‘massive boycott’ of Los Angeles Times

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    The problem with testing is that teachers end up teaching kids how to pass the test
    I have two kids, and Florida does a pretty comprehensive job of testing them annually from 1st grade on up. If the teachers are teaching the basics, the kids will pass the test. And, if the teachers are teaching to the test, that's good, because it means that the kids are learning the basics.

    The problem is that in too many places, like Los Angeles, the teacher's union is never in favor of putting proven teaching methodologies into the classroom, training teachers in those methods, and holding them accountable to use them. The teachers unions wield an unhealthy level of control, and you have many kids in many neighborhoods who aren't learning to read in the elementary schools, and then failing all the way up.

    I find this particularly annoying because WE KNOW HOW TO TEACH KIDS TO READ. It is not rocket science. The teachers unions want us to throw more money at the problem (primarily into their pockets), but that is not the issue. The issue is teachers effectively delivering content to student, engaging students in learning, using proven methods (direct instruction + phonics versus the thoroughly discredited whole language method), and getting rid of the dead wood teachers who don't give a ****.

    And yeah, Houson has these same issues. I've dealt with them both at firsthand.
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    Re: Teachers union threatens ‘massive boycott’ of Los Angeles Times

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    I did not join a union when I was teaching in the States, and this was true of a large number of other teachers at the school I taught at. I was fortunate in that I was in a good school with a supportive community. I have no problems with unionization because in some places it is definately needed and in general teachers are still underpaid considering the professional qualifications that are required to be an eductator.
    Pay should be negotiated on an individual level.
    There are a lot of teachers and a lot of people who want to be teachers.
    They shouldn't have high pay because we've built it into being some holy rollin, noble profession.
    It's a job.

    Unionizing has caused disastrous results, especially because your customers are captive to you.
    They have to buy the product whether they want it or not.

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    Then send your kid to a private school.

    I am not crazy about that either, but in local communities it would be even worse, I assure you...
    It's not right that I still have to pay for the local school.
    My wife instructs my kids.

    That's why I said it shouldn't be compulsory, not to forget that the budget would be lean and based on cost efficiency.

    I've had it with state managed education.
    The same things have been happening for at least 30 years and they have no intention of really changing for the positive, all the while a bunch of children fall to the way side because of their inaction.

    They have had their chance, they need the boot in total.
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