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    Re: Teachers union threatens ‘massive boycott’ of Los Angeles Times

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    I am a strong support of tracking, but where I taught in Georgia it was not allowed because it was considered racist...
    Yep, the state and the feds shouldn't be managing education.
    These type of things support my argument.
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    Re: Teachers union threatens ‘massive boycott’ of Los Angeles Times

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    So if you can grade a teacher based on how well their students do, does that mean you can rate CEOs based on how well their unionized employees do?
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    Re: Teachers union threatens ‘massive boycott’ of Los Angeles Times

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    In the words of Sheldon, "Bazinga"
    It would be a fine example, if the CEO's were unionized and the employees were a captive audience but it doesn't work like that.
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    Re: Teachers union threatens ‘massive boycott’ of Los Angeles Times

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Yep, the state and the feds shouldn't be managing education.
    These type of things support my argument.
    then who???
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    Re: Teachers union threatens ‘massive boycott’ of Los Angeles Times

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    So if you can grade a teacher based on how well their students do, does that mean you can rate CEOs based on how well their unionized employees do?
    CEOs are graded based on worker performance. CEOs are graded on keeping costs low, productivity high and revenues growing. Worker performance impacts all three.

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    Re: Teachers union threatens ‘massive boycott’ of Los Angeles Times

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    A series of tests over multiple years, possibly.

    I don't agree with taylorist style schooling, by and large these people do.
    When they are put to the fire, which should support their beliefs, they retreat.

    Either you can impart knowledge in a uniform, managed way for all students or you can't.
    All this does is show that the teachers are doing their job poorly or the system itself is set up wrong.
    Bad for the establishment both ways.
    Measuring a test in the same community over time to gague improvement, that I could buy, but these anti-teacher folks often just want to take scores without context and condemn teachers who have lower scores without looking at the raw materials they are given... pathetic...
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    Re: Teachers union threatens ‘massive boycott’ of Los Angeles Times

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Yep, the state and the feds shouldn't be managing education.
    These type of things support my argument.
    I have no problem with State involvement as that is within the Constitutional purvue of the state and local governments, but I agree, get the federal government out of it in most cases...

    Having said that, NH has limited state involvement compared to other states and it is one of the highest achieving states in the nation...
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    Re: Teachers union threatens ‘massive boycott’ of Los Angeles Times

    Quote Originally Posted by The Giant Noodle View Post
    then who???
    Parents and community, it worked just fine before we got the feds involved and made schooling mandatory.

    Crazy thing is people believe that before the feds stepped in, that most people were illiterate.
    Taint true.
    In 1870, 80% of the white population was completely literate and was climbing through out the rest of the 1800's before the feds started meddling with education.
    (Sorry have to make that distinction on race because Black people weren't really considered equal at that time.)
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    Re: Teachers union threatens ‘massive boycott’ of Los Angeles Times

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    Measuring a test in the same community over time to gague improvement, that I could buy, but these anti-teacher folks often just want to take scores without context and condemn teachers who have lower scores without looking at the raw materials they are given... pathetic...
    I'm not a fan of institutional education.
    This is what happens when even states have some sort of control.
    It allows teachers to unionize, bureaucrats to waste and parents to get lazy.
    All at the detriment of the student.
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    Re: Teachers union threatens ‘massive boycott’ of Los Angeles Times

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    I have no problem with State involvement as that is within the Constitutional purvue of the state and local governments, but I agree, get the federal government out of it in most cases...

    Having said that, NH has limited state involvement compared to other states and it is one of the highest achieving states in the nation...
    State involvement is less bad but still not right.
    I don't want my kid subject to the possibility of learning about Jesus riding dinosaurs.
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