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    Re: Obama Says Commitment to Clean Energy Will Boost Jobs

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Wow you almost sound like Jimmy Carter.
    Almost...this stuff was the college debate topic...of 1979.

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    Re: Obama Says Commitment to Clean Energy Will Boost Jobs

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Too bad so many people are out of work and can't afford to install those systems.

    My ole lady is a believer in green energy. She invited some clown over to the house to show us his solar system. She **** a brick, when he told her it was 26 g's. That's when I reminded her that if Obama hadn't put the drilling moratorium in place, we could probably afford it.

    Green energy is all fine-n-good, but since Obama has killed the job market, no one can afford to purchase the equipment. Those unintended consiquences are a mother ****er. Tax credits don't mean jack ****, when you don't have a job.
    I looked into solar panels a while back just to see if I could get off the grid. I came to the same conclusion. As much solar paneling as I'd have to buy to make a dent in my (low) electricity bill, it would take a ridiculously long time to break even. They're gonna have to make huge strides in solar technology before it makes any economic sense.

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    Re: Obama Says Commitment to Clean Energy Will Boost Jobs

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    so we are supposed to give up?
    No one's saying that the greenie-weenies should give up. But, what we are saying, is that before your Libbos politicos pass legislation that kills jobs and forces green energy on the citizens of this country, at least have a goddamn plan and make damn sure that that plan is going to actually benefit the country, as a whole.

    So far, you all have flopped on that part.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Obama Says Commitment to Clean Energy Will Boost Jobs

    Quote Originally Posted by Coronado View Post
    I looked into solar panels a while back just to see if I could get off the grid. I came to the same conclusion. As much solar paneling as I'd have to buy to make a dent in my (low) electricity bill, it would take a ridiculously long time to break even. They're gonna have to make huge strides in solar technology before it makes any economic sense.
    What's even worse, is that when a hurricane comes roaring through and blows the panels all to hell, we have to foot the bill to fix them.
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    Re: Obama Says Commitment to Clean Energy Will Boost Jobs

    Quote Originally Posted by Coronado View Post
    I looked into solar panels a while back just to see if I could get off the grid. I came to the same conclusion. As much solar paneling as I'd have to buy to make a dent in my (low) electricity bill, it would take a ridiculously long time to break even. They're gonna have to make huge strides in solar technology before it makes any economic sense.
    It can work with a grid tie system (still being connected to the grid) and being in Texas, it actually could be worth it for you.

    The first step is making your house more efficient first, to reduce over all consumption.
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    Re: Obama Says Commitment to Clean Energy Will Boost Jobs

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Frankly I think it should have been a part of building codes since the mid 80s. I think they should have eliminated 110VAC house power where possible. And if people dont WANT solar panels, then there is always candles. We mandate more efficient means of construction all the time. And OK...OK...heres a compromise...no mandating solar panels but higher energy rates or tax credits for those that implement them.
    Or . . . we could let the market sort it out. Free choices made by people with their individualized needs in mind.
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    Re: Obama Says Commitment to Clean Energy Will Boost Jobs

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Or . . . we could let the market sort it out. Free choices made by people with their individualized needs in mind.
    Sure we can...and have...and really arent any closer to 'energy independence'. I dont know if there is an easy answer. A lot of it is just working smarter...installing sun lights, turning off unneeded lighting, flash heaters, etc. One downside to solar panel (they have some very affordable very secure options that can provide virtually all your house current needs) is that if we do adopt a massive solar policy (even voluntary) then cities and states will loose a ton of tax revenue. I think if we at least promote change options we would see positive outcomes.

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    Re: Obama Says Commitment to Clean Energy Will Boost Jobs

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    It can work with a grid tie system (still being connected to the grid) and being in Texas, it actually could be worth it for you.

    The first step is making your house more efficient first, to reduce over all consumption.
    Our house was built in 2007, so it's pretty efficient as it is. Since we're partially on gas, and since my wife insists on keeping the thermostat on 78° all summer (grr ...), we don't pay much at all for electricity. Anyway, for me to have enough panels to do much, I'd definitely draw fire from the HOA.

    I was thinking less about efficiency and more about a "what if the **** hits the fan and the government collapses" sort of thing. I'm still thinking of getting a well one of these days so I could at least be self sufficient that way.

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    Re: Obama Says Commitment to Clean Energy Will Boost Jobs

    Quote Originally Posted by Coronado View Post
    Our house was built in 2007, so it's pretty efficient as it is. Since we're partially on gas, and since my wife insists on keeping the thermostat on 78° all summer (grr ...), we don't pay much at all for electricity. Anyway, for me to have enough panels to do much, I'd definitely draw fire from the HOA.

    I was thinking less about efficiency and more about a "what if the **** hits the fan and the government collapses" sort of thing. I'm still thinking of getting a well one of these days so I could at least be self sufficient that way.
    That's part of my reasoning as well, plus I hate monthly bills.
    I mean, I really hate perpetual monthly bills.

    When we get a house, solar (maybe micro hydro if I can some land with a stream) is definitely in the works.

    Batteries and a whole house inverter are last.
    They are the most expensive one time part.
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    Re: Obama Says Commitment to Clean Energy Will Boost Jobs

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    It can work with a grid tie system (still being connected to the grid) and being in Texas, it actually could be worth it for you.

    The first step is making your house more efficient first, to reduce over all consumption.
    No, the first step, is to come up with the 26 grand to buy that damn thing, to begin with. Tax credits don't mean ****, when you have to cough of 26 grand, up front.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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