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    Re: Obama Says Commitment to Clean Energy Will Boost Jobs

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    No wonder all the coal and oil boys are ****ting their pants. Their days of polluting the world are nearing an end.


    Yeah, Shell and Exxon are practically out of business!


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    Re: Obama Says Commitment to Clean Energy Will Boost Jobs

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    You're right, except I wouldn't call it "easy". It would also destroy the world's economy and the entire world would have to live like the people in Afghanistan.
    Right - "easy" as a relative term. It couldn't change over night but I think that's the only way to really kick start alternative energy - other than the way things are going now, which would be to put billions of artificial stimulus to create something no one wants to buy because it's more expensive than fossil fuels.

    From an investment perspective, Obama's plan here sounds like a loser.
    “I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on what’s being proposed here, he’d agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute.” - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Obama Says Commitment to Clean Energy Will Boost Jobs

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    Yeah, Shell and Exxon are practically out of business!

    Haz is Bob Hope, Nipsy Russel, Dave Chappell, Mitch Hedberg, & the Daily Show all rolled into one enchilada.
    “I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on what’s being proposed here, he’d agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute.” - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Obama Says Commitment to Clean Energy Will Boost Jobs

    Quote Originally Posted by drz-400 View Post
    How much does that dirty energy pollution cost us each year? Does that get factored into the price of oil/coal?

    Just saying, it would be pretty hard for the sewer plant to compete costwise if we could all just **** in the river.

    Subsidies for green energy or taxes on fossil fuels will help make them cost competitive.
    End of thread.

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    Re: Obama Says Commitment to Clean Energy Will Boost Jobs

    Quote Originally Posted by Slainte View Post
    But oil will not always be cheap, in fact it will almost certainly get steadily more expensive. Investing in alternative sources of energy today will allow a less painful transition away from oil in the future.



    How will we find it if we are unprepared to look for it?

    Maybe there will be a 'eureka' moment when someone discovers a brilliant new source of energy nobody else had thought of, and it allows us an easy transition away from oil. But it would be foolish to close our eyes and hope this day will come while we steadily use up the world's natural resources.

    There are alternatives out there, but like any nascent technologies they will find it difficult to compete with established technologies in a free market. Thus they must be supported in their development stages.
    What you are looking for will be found in a small college laboratory or by some backyard inventor..... no need to throw trillions of scarce tax payer dollars at it.
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    Re: Obama Says Commitment to Clean Energy Will Boost Jobs

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    When did I ever say we shouldn't look? In fact, implicit in what I did say is that we SHOULD look.

    What I object to is all the flowery hooplah about technology which simply doesn't exist and no one really knows if it CAN exist -- especially when someone is so arrogant as to pin down an exact number of jobs it will create.

    And on top of that, to start trying to kill oil before we even know we can get there at all is stupid beyond measure.
    It's called Obamanomics, and yes, it's stupid beyond measure.
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    Re: Obama Says Commitment to Clean Energy Will Boost Jobs

    Quote Originally Posted by Slainte View Post
    Do you have any specific examples?

    Investing in renewable energy sources; wind, solar, wave, tidal, etc, will create jobs, and will generate energy.
    Unfortunately none of those technologies are mature nor cost effective so they are not ready to have gobs of money thrown at them, nor will they be ready to be used to create many jobs until they are mature technologies.
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    Re: Obama Says Commitment to Clean Energy Will Boost Jobs

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    It's actually getting very close -- solar panel installers are popping up all over the place. I've been cold called by a few wanting to come by and give us estimates.

    The Battery model -- a battery that can power your house and never need to recharge -- all these things are just on the horizon.

    No wonder all the coal and oil boys are ****ting their pants. Their days of polluting the world are nearing an end.
    Let us know when they are viable, competitive products that don't require government subsidies to make then so....... get back to us at least every 10 years so we can have an update, thanx.
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    Re: Obama Says Commitment to Clean Energy Will Boost Jobs

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Well... there is an easy way to make alternative energy successful. Make petroleum and coal products expensive as hell. Artificially increase the cost and create a market for alternative energy. The key would be to sustain the fossil fuel costs at a high enough rate to promote alternative investment and development. So $7-$10 a gallon gas, $5-$7 diesel, fuel oil at $12-$15, while increasing coal and industrial coal and power plant costs by about 50%-60% over a period of 8-10 years would do it.

    I got it.... call on me!

    What is cap and trade.

    Did I win the all expense paid vacation to Tehran?
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    Re: Obama Says Commitment to Clean Energy Will Boost Jobs

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Right - "easy" as a relative term. It couldn't change over night but I think that's the only way to really kick start alternative energy - other than the way things are going now, which would be to put billions of artificial stimulus to create something no one wants to buy because it's more expensive than fossil fuels.

    From an investment perspective, Obama's plan here sounds like a loser.
    Viable alternative energy will come with no help from the government..... with government telling people how and what to do? It will never come.
    There is no such thing as a “Natural Born Dual-Citizen“.

    Originally Posted by PogueMoran
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