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    Re: Obama Says Commitment to Clean Energy Will Boost Jobs

    Quote Originally Posted by drz-400 View Post
    How much does that dirty energy pollution cost us each year? Does that get factored into the price of oil/coal?

    Just saying, it would be pretty hard for the sewer plant to compete costwise if we could all just **** in the river.

    Subsidies for green energy or taxes on fossil fuels will help make them cost competitive.
    Figured out how your going to replace all those oil/coal jobs that are going to killed by the government forcing green energy on the American people, only to fatten their own wallets, by getting kickbacks and stock dividends from the green energy companies and the money that these same politicians have invested in green energy companies?
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    Re: Obama Says Commitment to Clean Energy Will Boost Jobs

    Quote Originally Posted by chevydriver1123 View Post
    Yea more tax payer money thrown at useless crap which will amount to nothing but creating more government waste.

    What?
    See your first line...

    I have a dream..."that spending billions in government tax dollars and creating deeper debt will one day provide millions of jobs..."

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    Re: Obama Says Commitment to Clean Energy Will Boost Jobs

    Quote Originally Posted by Slainte View Post
    Do you have any specific examples?

    Investing in renewable energy sources; wind, solar, wave, tidal, etc, will create jobs, and will generate energy. They won't do so at costs competitive to coal or gas, therefore there will need to be incentives to get pirvate enterprise interested.
    I don't object to that. I object the promise of an panacea of "clean energy" when there's nothing to indicate it can actually be done.

    No, this isn't like going to the Moon, much as Obama seems to think it is (which is ironic for other reasons). We knew how to go to the Moon when Kennedy committed us to it. We knew the exact steps which needed to be taken. "Clean energy" is a nebulous, nearly fantastic wish which doesn't even approach an actual quantifiable tangible goal, such as landing someone on the Moon and bringing him back.


    Also, I do not believe anyone has stated the exact number of jobs that will be created, 'over 800,000' is just an estimate. I do not think it's that unreasonable.
    Giving any pinnable figure at all is foolhardy when you're dealing with things which don't yet exist. Especially from someone who doesn't exactly have a good track record at predicting how many jobs his policies will create . . .


    I don't think anyone wants to 'kill' oil, indeed, that simply is not possible yet.
    The production of oil has been attacked, restricted, prohibited, "moratoriumed," taxed, and suffocatingly regulated 18 ways from Sunday.

    And in any case:

    Former vice-president Al Gore calls for end of fossil fuel use for electricity in US by 2018 | World news | guardian.co.uk

    End use of fossil fuels in 20 years, UK warned | Environment | The Guardian

    Press Release: The Green Party of Pennsylvania calls for an end to drilling for natural gas and other fossil fuels | Independent Political Report

    Obama: Spill Can Signal End To Oil 'Addiction' : NPR

    CBS and NBC Champion Gore's 'Green Gauntlet' to End Fossil Fuels | NewsBusters.org

    Robin Chase: Fossil Fuel Is the New Slavery: Morally and Economically Corrupt

    Leaders' Statement: The Pittsburgh Summit

    And so on.


    But oil will steadily become more difficult to access, and therefore more expensive. We need to have developed alternatives that will be economical before the price of oil increases significantly.
    I already said I didn't disagree with that.
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    Re: Obama Says Commitment to Clean Energy Will Boost Jobs

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    The production of oil has been attacked, restricted, prohibited, "moratoriumed," taxed, and suffocatingly regulated 18 ways from Sunday.
    As it should be. Would you prefer we use all of our oil deposits in the U.S. now and in the future when oil is even more expensive, we'll have to send even more money to foreign countries?
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    Re: Obama Says Commitment to Clean Energy Will Boost Jobs

    Quote Originally Posted by Jucon View Post
    As it should be. Would you prefer we use all of our oil deposits in the U.S. now and in the future when oil is even more expensive, we'll have to send even more money to foreign countries?
    Oil is a global commodity, our money will go to whoever sells it on the market.
    Just about everything else works like that as well.
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    Re: Obama Says Commitment to Clean Energy Will Boost Jobs

    Quote Originally Posted by Jucon View Post
    As it should be. Would you prefer we use all of our oil deposits in the U.S. now and in the future when oil is even more expensive, we'll have to send even more money to foreign countries?
    Riiiight. The interest in stopping oil production is to preserve it for later. :
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    Re: Obama Says Commitment to Clean Energy Will Boost Jobs

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Until that "green" energy is cheap enough to compete with the supposed "dirty" energy, it will flop, not create a lot of jobs, waste money or some combination of the three.
    It's actually getting very close -- solar panel installers are popping up all over the place. I've been cold called by a few wanting to come by and give us estimates.

    The Battery model -- a battery that can power your house and never need to recharge -- all these things are just on the horizon.

    No wonder all the coal and oil boys are ****ting their pants. Their days of polluting the world are nearing an end.

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    Re: Obama Says Commitment to Clean Energy Will Boost Jobs

    Well... there is an easy way to make alternative energy successful. Make petroleum and coal products expensive as hell. Artificially increase the cost and create a market for alternative energy. The key would be to sustain the fossil fuel costs at a high enough rate to promote alternative investment and development. So $7-$10 a gallon gas, $5-$7 diesel, fuel oil at $12-$15, while increasing coal and industrial coal and power plant costs by about 50%-60% over a period of 8-10 years would do it.
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    Re: Obama Says Commitment to Clean Energy Will Boost Jobs

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Well... there is an easy way to make alternative energy successful. Make petroleum and coal products expensive as hell. Artificially increase the cost and create a market for alternative energy. The key would be to sustain the fossil fuel costs at a high enough rate to promote alternative investment and development. So $7-$10 a gallon gas, $5-$7 diesel, fuel oil at $12-$15, while increasing coal and industrial coal and power plant costs by about 50%-60% over a period of 8-10 years would do it.
    You're right, except I wouldn't call it "easy". It would also destroy the world's economy and the entire world would have to live like the people in Afghanistan.

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    Re: Obama Says Commitment to Clean Energy Will Boost Jobs

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    It's actually getting very close -- solar panel installers are popping up all over the place. I've been cold called by a few wanting to come by and give us estimates.

    The Battery model -- a battery that can power your house and never need to recharge -- all these things are just on the horizon.

    No wonder all the coal and oil boys are ****ting their pants. Their days of polluting the world are nearing an end.
    Batteries are still pretty archaic.
    Capacitors is where the future should be but we still have to wait.
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