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Obama Says Commitment to Clean Energy Will Boost Jobs

The Bloom Box is currently being tested by eBay, Fedex, Wal-Mart, Staples, the San Francisco Airport, and the CIA.

10 years from now, fossil fuels will be history.

The bloom box requires fuel input, like gas.
 
The bloom box requires fuel input, like gas.

Or bio-fuels. Or gas from land fills.

It can also use solar.

DIY solar kits are hitting the market. My son's science teacher has one of those homes where the meter runs backwards and they get a refund from the state.

Fossile fuels (as we know them) will be history in 10 years.
 
Or bio-fuels. Or gas from land fills.

It can also use solar.

DIY solar kits are hitting the market. My son's science teacher has one of those homes where the meter runs backwards and they get a refund from the state.

Fossile fuels (as we know them) will be history in 10 years.

Gonna take longer than that. Until another power source becomes more cost-effective than fossil fuels, people will be resistant to switching over.
 
Gonna take longer than that. Until another power source becomes more cost-effective than fossil fuels, people will be resistant to switching over.

I agree, they are too expensive for now...plus, there are some rare earth minerals involved.
Electric Utilities are building more coal plants for now. They don't seem to have any faith in the bloom box yet...
 
Or bio-fuels. Or gas from land fills.

It can also use solar.

DIY solar kits are hitting the market. My son's science teacher has one of those homes where the meter runs backwards and they get a refund from the state.

Fossile fuels (as we know them) will be history in 10 years.
Refund would be from the utility, not the state, that is how it worked when I worked for one. And I would like to know how solar would run a fuel cell, or even why. Wouldn't it be better to use the solar to generate the electricity directly?
 
Gonna take longer than that. Until another power source becomes more cost-effective than fossil fuels, people will be resistant to switching over.

It's not about finding one new power source--a magic bullet.

A combination of green technologies will eliminate the need for coal plants.

Hybrids and electric cars are like the DVDs phasing out the old VHS tapes. As prices come down over time, people will switch over.

The new Ford Focus EV will go 100 miles on a charge. By choosing an existing platform and using technology developed by an auto supplier, Ford saved on R&D, and the sticker price will be well under the $40K Volt. Ironically, Ford's Explorer, though not the first SUV, was the consumer model that moved the auto-industry in that direction.

New technologies are always high-priced at first.
 
It's not about finding one new power source--a magic bullet.

A combination of green technologies will eliminate the need for coal plants.

Hybrids and electric cars are like the DVDs phasing out the old VHS tapes. As prices come down over time, people will switch over.

The new Ford Focus EV will go 100 miles on a charge. By choosing an existing platform and using technology developed by an auto supplier, Ford saved on R&D, and the sticker price will be well under the $40K Volt. Ironically, Ford's Explorer, though not the first SUV, was the consumer model that moved the auto-industry in that direction.

New technologies are always high-priced at first.

Not until they design one that will go more than a couple hundred miles between charges and is bigger than a bread box.

How do you think your vegetables, furniture, clothing, etc. will get to the store?? By a great big electric truck traveling across the country ???
 
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Refund would be from the utility, not the state, that is how it worked when I worked for one. And I would like to know how solar would run a fuel cell, or even why. Wouldn't it be better to use the solar to generate the electricity directly?

Correct, the utility issues a direct refund for NEM. The state and fed give the tax credit.

And solar fueling a cell was a statement made during the 60 minutes interview. I have no idea. Corn needs sun?
 
It is good that we are doing research and coming up with new technology, but for that technology to be viable, it will have to be affordable, and that must include purchase price and maintenance expenses. The changeover will not happen in one decade, more like 3 or 4 decades. I probably only have 2 decades left, so I won't see much of it, but I will always be watching.
 
Correct, the utility issues a direct refund for NEM. The state and fed give the tax credit.

And solar fueling a cell was a statement made during the 60 minutes interview. I have no idea. Corn needs sun?

Corn ethanol? not likely....we are already using that to boost the octane in gasoline, and that made the cost of corn food products go up. We don't have enough land to grow the amounts of corn needed.

One of these days we are going to hit a wall energy wise, and we won't be where we need to be with energy supplies, so we will have to accept the unthinkable, and that is energy conservation.
A very large percentage of our energy is wasted, consumed for no good reason. And the last politician who mandated conservation was Jimmy Carter.
 
Not until they design one that will go more than a couple hundred miles between charges and is bigger than a bread box.

Why, when the average motorist rarely travels more that 40 miles/day.

Hybrids go more than a hundred miles.

How do you think your vegetables, furniture, clothing, etc. will get to the store?? By a great big electric truck traveling across the country ???

Biodiesel.
 
Why, when the average motorist rarely travels more that 40 miles/day.

Hybrids go more than a hundred miles.

I said a COUPLE hundred. I drive FAR more than 40 miles/day.

Biodiesel.

Yeah, biodiesel is great, except in the winter. Better get ready for much higher shipping prices and resultant increases in the price of goods if biodiesel becomes popular. B100 costs significantly more than regular diesel. It also has the same problem as ethanol... it takes a lot of crops to make it.
 
Why, when the average motorist rarely travels more that 40 miles/day.

Hybrids go more than a hundred miles.



Biodiesel.

The most cost effective way to move stuff around the USA is diesel electric TRAINS....
 
The most cost effective way to move stuff around the USA is diesel electric TRAINS....

True, but we still have to get the stuff from the trains to the stores/plants.
 
True, but we still have to get the stuff from the trains to the stores/plants.
battery operated trucks are good for those short distances...
 
battery operated trucks are good for those short distances...

Possibly, would take a hell of a battery rack or a great improvement in batteries.... or take a lot of trips with smaller loads.
 
I said a COUPLE hundred. I drive FAR more than 40 miles/day.

Get a dictionary and look up the word 'average'...

Yeah, biodiesel is great, except in the winter. Better get ready for much higher shipping prices and resultant increases in the price of goods if biodiesel becomes popular. B100 costs significantly more than regular diesel. It also has the same problem as ethanol... it takes a lot of crops to make it.

You're a GW denier. Your opinion on all things scientific doesn't carry any weight IMO.

But, in the interest of bringing you up to speed, everything you said wasn't true as of last year... Think Algae.
 
Pt #1- never said there were no tax cuts.

Adpst did. And now he's trying to change the subject.

Pt #2- I agree that in this type of recession throwing money was not the fix. However if you want to put some people to work during this period which is what the stimulus did then I would have preferred to have them do something that would have long term benefits to our economy.

Which apparently is happening now. From what I hear, projects across the US are going up with the Stimulus sign. The uber-funny **** is when the economy roars back to life after the financial problems are fixed, the GOP is going to try to take credit for what amounted to an artificial boost in infrastructure spending.
 
Again, please, tell us exactly who's taxes were cut.

Your's. There's a $400 credit on your taxes.

Since you're so much smarter and more knowledgable than the rest of us, it should be a piece of cake to show us that information

Oh I know. I just want you to actually educate yourself and stop being exceptionally lazy.

So tell me, how do you think higher taxes and less demand = more jobs. Or you could, as I predicted, just run away from that.

Hint: Running away from that now just proves I'm correct.
 
Get a dictionary and look up the word 'average'...

I am far ABOVE average in many ways, so I obviously know its meaning very well. Perhaps YOU should look up the meaning of average. If one person drives/rides 10 miles per day, but his neighbor 70, they average 40. I guess the poor guy that has to drive 70 miles is screwed according to you. That "average" also includes the hundreds of thousands of people that don't go anywhere at all during the day.

That was a nice dodge though to avoid the point of my reply. Guess that's all you could come up with.

Sad.

You're a GW denier. Your opinion on all things scientific doesn't carry any weight IMO.

But, in the interest of bringing you up to speed, everything you said wasn't true as of last year... Think Algae.

Really?? How exactly do you know what I believe.

Answer: You don't.

So... biodiesel doesn't congeal in cold weather???

So... biodiesel doesn't cost more than normal diesel???

I noticed you didn't offer any proof of your statements, but that's par for you.
 

My sense is that these initiatives are how industry and government can cooperate effectively to create opportunities for Americans today as we transition to clean energy tomorrow.

Whatever happened to those shovel-ready jobs he promised? OR the jobs that were suppose to have been saved/created already?
 
Whatever happened to those shovel-ready jobs he promised? OR the jobs that were suppose to have been saved/created already?

Just one word...........windmills. :lol:


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