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    Re: Obama Says Commitment to Clean Energy Will Boost Jobs

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Oh wow man....flashback....I could have swore I just heard Jimmah Carter telling me to put on a sweater....
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    so do it already....or are you the type that overheats an entire house when he is the only one cold....
    I should say she, that is the typical scenario.
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    Re: Obama Says Commitment to Clean Energy Will Boost Jobs

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    Maybe a few farmers water corn in extremely arid areas, but they only produce a very limited amount of corn. We're not talking about a backyard garden here.

    Drive through Illinois and Iowa where most of the country's corn is grown and you won't see a single corn field that is irrigated.
    I know, and you are right in the major crop areas of the midwest. In, for example, colorado, kansas (west side), nebraska, the dakotas, it is the norm to irrigate. There are some major corn growing areas in these arid places as well.

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    Re: Obama Says Commitment to Clean Energy Will Boost Jobs

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    so do it already....or are you the type that overheats an entire house when he is the only one cold....
    I should say she, that is the typical scenario.

    heh, heh, no....I start a fire in the fireplace and that usually makes it nice and toasty.

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    Re: Obama Says Commitment to Clean Energy Will Boost Jobs

    Quote Originally Posted by Jucon View Post
    They are already capable of mass-producing solar cells. If every house had it's roof covered in solar cells, it could drastically reduce the amount of non-renewable resources we need to power our homes. I honestly don't get why it's not more affordable right now.

    YouTube - Nanosolar Utility Panel

    Lower-cost Solar Cells To Be Printed Like Newspaper, Painted On Rooftops

    Innovation puts next-generation solar cells on the horizon

    High-efficiency Low-cost Silicon Solar Cell Demonstrated

    IMO the evidence is there that solar power is a viable future solution to our energy needs... we just need bright minds who can outsmart our competition (other countries). Even if the panels wouldn't work at night, they would still cut energy costs during the day. But if we can improve our energy storage capabilities, they could power our homes even during the night. Most people use less power at night anyways.
    Actually, there is research into using spare capacity in battery banks on electric and hybrid vehicles to provide overnight storage of solar/wind power, as well as providing "backup power" to the grid to help prevent brownouts. All based upon the fact that these vehicles are being designed to travel much farther than most people actually do, day to day. Allowing the owner to "authorize" the power company to "extract" a certain percentage of their vehicle's charge when demand is high, which is replaced when demand is low, all the while never affecting the owner's driving needs.

    Which is just mentioned in support of your point. And to demonstrate the potential for real solutions to real problems offered by "green technologies" apart from political bickering.

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    Re: Obama Says Commitment to Clean Energy Will Boost Jobs

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    Say we manage to create or harness this alternative "green" energy.

    How expensive will it be to convert every house, business, school, car, stadium, skyscraper, university, train, plane, lawnmower, etc, to this new energy?

    How do we switch out every outlet, every light switch, every gas oven and refridgerator, to accommodate this new fuel? How long until we build these new "fuel" centers to re-charge our vehicles and household items.

    Take the stimulus money, and multiply it by the same number. It'll cost a trillion trillions.

    Meanwhile, China will keep churning on cheap oil and gas, and we'll be Afghanistan before you know it.
    I once did the math and would be happy to again as the total cost is much higher now, but the gist was a "whole house", "grid tied" solar system for an average family, just being normally "conservative"(do ya have to have every light in the house on?), costs about $25,000 for a $0 electric bill. If the average "house" has 4 residents, then for one billion dollars, 160,000 people could end their dependence on foreign oil to power their homes ($25,000 x 40,000 = 1,000,000,000, 40,000 x 4 = 160,000), I believe at the time I did the original equations, the bill for the Iraq war was six hundred billion dollars. So 160,000 x 600 = 96 millionamericans could have been permanently freed of their dependence on foreign oil to power their homes had the money been put to this purpose. It's over a trillion now, so do the math.

    Oh, and by the way, there aren't that many panels available on the market, we'd have had to build a bunch of factories to have actually been able to put them on the houses.

    Silly Greenies?
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    Re: Obama Says Commitment to Clean Energy Will Boost Jobs

    The cleanest, most efficient, energy there is, is conservation.
    Our house is 4500 sq. ft., on 3 levels, basement, main floor, and loft.
    Our summer electric bill is smaller than older houses half that size. Part of it is because the house was built right, but part is because we don't have to have the entire house the same temperature all the time, plus or minus half a degree. We don't use the air conditioner much, as summers are usually mild here in northern Utah. The furnace gets used a lot during the winter, of course, but still, we can heat our house on a lot less gas than smaller houses. We have a lot of south facing windows and the sun comes in and heats up tile floors.
    Car makers have been very successful at making cars with more power, a LOT less pollution, and very good gas mileage. It took about 10 years for that to be accomplished, once congress mandated it.
    Now if we could just get congress to mandate better building codes....
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    Re: Obama Says Commitment to Clean Energy Will Boost Jobs

    Get a grip people Obama is a damn liar from start to the last word out of his Socialist/Marxist mouth.

    He said the stimulus billions of dollars would keep the unemployment rate below 8%.

    What is it now? Latest number is 9.6.

    He said his Stimulus plan would create jobs.

    Los Angeles spent 111 million dollars in Stimulus Plan money and created a Grand total of 54 jobs.

    Do the math, it comes to $2,055,555.55 per job.

    Then we have to look at the "Cash for Clunker" debacle which was going to help American Auto Manufacturers but sold more cars to Toyota and it only cost $28,000 per car sold to give buyers up to $5,000 per car.

    Was that a good plan?

    I think not. It killed the sale of the perfectly serviceable trade ins because they had by law to be destroyed, and the gain in fuel mileage is negligible, to boot.

    Now that's an Obama plan at it's best at work.

    But wait, it gets better or worse depending on your IQ. Those who scored under 60 think the Obama Plan has worked.

    Those with an IQ above room temperature know it's a total disaster.

    Those in the inner circle of Obama's cadre of radicals Socialist/Marxists know Obama is right on track with the Cloward & Pevin strategy to bring about total redistribution of wealth after destroying the economy.

    The Cloward & Pevin plan is better know as Socialism/Marxism.

    A brief look at Obama's Cap & Trade plan tells us it will push our economy off into an ABYSS of DEPRESSION and make 1929 look like a day when we all won the LOTTERY because it will push possibly millions of our citizens into poverty and cost tens of thousands of jobs, and all for a HOAX known as Global warming.

    In his own words:




    Now I know people like to say that I hate Obama and nothing could be farther from the truth. I wanted him to succeed until it became clear way before the election that there were very serious questions about his true nature, as has been shown in his support of Rev. Wright and black Liberation Theology which is Anti-American, Anti-Constitution, Anti-Capitalism, and Anti-White People.

    As a real Christian I hate no person and no sinner only the sin and in this case the Complete Ideology of the sinner.

    With all this said it is clear to me that to believe Obama has a plan that actually WILL create jobs is to believe in the Easter Bunny, the Tooth Fairy, and that pigs can fly.

    So in conclusion we can live without any more of Obama's amateurish approach and solutions to anything ever!

    Those who stand for nothing fall for anything, Obama says.

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    Re: Obama Says Commitment to Clean Energy Will Boost Jobs

    Quote Originally Posted by Councilman View Post
    ...excerpt

    Then we have to look at the "Cash for Clunker" debacle which was going to help American Auto Manufacturers but sold more cars to Toyota and it only cost $28,000 per car sold to give buyers up to $5,000 per car.

    Was that a good plan?

    I think not. It killed the sale of the perfectly serviceable trade ins because they had by law to be destroyed, and the gain in fuel mileage is negligible, to boot.
    Didn't check everything in this post but decided to see for myself what the cost of the CARS program was. So, I found this on the Consumer Reports site (I hope we can agree that these folks are not politically biased). Consumer Reports Cars Blog: Cash for clunkers: The final results

    Their conclusions don't agree with yours.

    Also, aren't most of the Toyotas sold in America made in America?

    Toyota Motor Manufacturing Alabama, Huntsville, Alabama – V6 and V8 Engines.
    TABC, Inc., Long Beach, California – Catalytic Converters, Sheet Metal Stampings, Front End Assemblies.
    Toyota Motor Manufacturing Kentucky, Georgetown, Kentucky – Camry, Avalon, Solara convertible, and Venza as well as the AR and GR engines.
    Toyota Motor Manufacturing Indiana, Princeton, Indiana – Sequoia, Sienna, and Highlander
    Toyota Motor Manufacturing Texas, San Antonio, Texas – Tundra
    Toyota Motor Manufacturing West Virginia, Buffalo, West Virginia – ZZ, MZ, and GR engines; automatic transaxles
    Toyota Motor Manufacturing Mississippi, Tupelo, Mississippi – Prius Hybrid This facility is currently being built, and production is scheduled to start in 2010/2011. The facility will be named "Toyota Motor Manufacturing, Mississippi, Inc."
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    Re: Obama Says Commitment to Clean Energy Will Boost Jobs

    Quote Originally Posted by Councilman View Post
    Get a grip people Obama is a damn liar from start to the last word out of his Socialist/Marxist mouth.

    He said the stimulus billions of dollars would keep the unemployment rate below 8%.

    What is it now? Latest number is 9.6.
    I wasn't aware that the President can absolutely make such statement. It was clearly an estimate from the start. Like many of Bush's estimates on Iraq. Did Bush lie then? No.

    He said his Stimulus plan would create jobs.

    Los Angeles spent 111 million dollars in Stimulus Plan money and created a Grand total of 54 jobs.

    Do the math, it comes to $2,055,555.55 per job.
    That is ignoring marginal propensity to spend.

    Furthermore, I already addressed this post before and you ran away.
    http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...post1058992945

    Then we have to look at the "Cash for Clunker" debacle which was going to help American Auto Manufacturers but sold more cars to Toyota and it only cost $28,000 per car sold to give buyers up to $5,000 per car.

    Was that a good plan?

    I think not. It killed the sale of the perfectly serviceable trade ins because they had by law to be destroyed, and the gain in fuel mileage is negligible, to boot.
    http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...post1059006955

    Already addressed. The destruction of the cars was a bad idea no doubt, but CARS was nothing more then a repackaged bonus depreciation kind of spending incentive we saw under Bush.

    Now that's an Obama plan at it's best at work.
    Not really. It's a consumer version of bonus depreciation. The kind that was started under Bush in 2001. It's a pilfered Bush idea. And not bad one either.

    But wait, it gets better or worse depending on your IQ. Those who scored under 60 think the Obama Plan has worked.

    Those with an IQ above room temperature know it's a total disaster.
    Councilman, wrong as usual:
    http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...post1059006955

    Those in the inner circle of Obama's cadre of radicals Socialist/Marxists know Obama is right on track with the Cloward & Pevin strategy to bring about total redistribution of wealth after destroying the economy.
    You not liking something does not equate to it being socialist or Marxist. Furthermore, you cannot even define either term. What makes you think you can use them properly?

    Furthermore, Cap and Trade as a market principle for reducing emissions works. The Sulfur cap and trade vastly reduced sulfur emissions. Maybe you think that was a failure too?

    Now I know people like to say that I hate Obama and nothing could be farther from the truth.
    Cuz you do? He does the same things as Bush and you bash him constantly yet refuse to bash Bush for doing the same things.

    Stop reading Newsmax. That's your first problem.
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    Re: Obama Says Commitment to Clean Energy Will Boost Jobs

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    I wasn't aware that the President can absolutely make such statement. It was clearly an estimate from the start. Like many of Bush's estimates on Iraq. Did Bush lie then? No.

    He said his Stimulus plan would create jobs.



    That is ignoring marginal propensity to spend.

    Furthermore, I already addressed this post before and you ran away.
    http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...post1058992945



    http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...post1059006955

    Already addressed. The destruction of the cars was a bad idea no doubt, but CARS was nothing more then a repackaged bonus depreciation kind of spending incentive we saw under Bush.



    Not really. It's a consumer version of bonus depreciation. The kind that was started under Bush in 2001. It's a pilfered Bush idea. And not bad one either.



    Councilman, wrong as usual:
    http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...post1059006955



    You not liking something does not equate to it being socialist or Marxist. Furthermore, you cannot even define either term. What makes you think you can use them properly?

    Furthermore, Cap and Trade as a market principle for reducing emissions works. The Sulfur cap and trade vastly reduced sulfur emissions. Maybe you think that was a failure too?



    Cuz you do? He does the same things as Bush and you bash him constantly yet refuse to bash Bush for doing the same things.

    Stop reading Newsmax. That's your first problem.
    We lost 293,000 jobs this summer. Doesn't appear that the stealfromus package did much-a-anything.
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