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    Re: Obama Says Commitment to Clean Energy Will Boost Jobs

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    It amazes me the line of pure bunk that the American people are being fed on this supposed "Green Energy"... None of this crap is proven and experts say that it will be decades before we see any real sustainable energy able to replace fossil fuels in this world if ever. Yet we allow our elected "leaders" to cut current methods of energy production, causing rising pricing, and artificial shortages.

    Remember when the argument from the liberal left was that drilling can't be allowed because it takes too long to bring that energy to market? Well, where is their alternatives? They may never happen that's where. In the mean time they are making us MORE dependent on imports, not less.

    What a joke.


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    It takes decades to see results because we have a massive infrastructure to replace. We need to get started sooner rather than later, or we'll end up behind the technological and economic curve.
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    Re: Obama Says Commitment to Clean Energy Will Boost Jobs

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    It takes decades to see results because we have a massive infrastructure to replace. We need to get started sooner rather than later, or we'll end up behind the technological and economic curve.
    So do it....But do we have to cut off the current energy supply as before we have the replacement? How does that even remotely make sense?


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    Re: Obama Says Commitment to Clean Energy Will Boost Jobs

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    I agree with you here Bill, although ethanol is not even a good additive to stretch our own production because of what it does to the cost of food sources here in America.

    We have plenty of oil, and should be drilling our own resource here to ween off of imports, while at the same time developing alternatives.


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    Natural gas is a good alternative to gasoline, we need to build the infrastructure so we can get it to more customers.
    Propane is a manufactured gas, not a good alternative.
    and yes, use more of our own oil....imported oil from Mexico and Canada is a good thing tradewise.
    But importring oil from halfway across the world from countries that hate us? That is stupid...
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    Re: Obama Says Commitment to Clean Energy Will Boost Jobs

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    Solar and wind are not alternatives to oil, they are at best a supplement to electricity....here is a good article about energy, the man knows what he is talking about.

    http://www.questar.com/1OurCompany/n.../UVUSpeech.pdf
    Yes they are a supplement to electricity. And electricity can power pretty much anything if enough is produced and/or stored.
    It was a good read, but I think he's more concerned about emissions rather then clean renewable energy. That's my main concern. He also seems to believe it is rather impossible.

    Government may HAVE to play a part in regulation of the oil and coal industries. Coal and oil work too well, why would an industry go into something that right now doesn't work and is not at all cost effective? They will continue on their path and if emissions are taxed they can make up the cost. Do we as Americans sit back with and wait for someone else to find a renewable solution?
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    Re: Obama Says Commitment to Clean Energy Will Boost Jobs

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    Natural gas is a good alternative to gasoline, we need to build the infrastructure so we can get it to more customers.
    Propane is a manufactured gas, not a good alternative.
    and yes, use more of our own oil....imported oil from Mexico and Canada is a good thing tradewise.
    But importring oil from halfway across the world from countries that hate us? That is stupid...

    Absolutely! gheeze, I have to say, of our disagreements in the past, I am glad that we agree on something...It's nice.

    When I started driving truck, I worked for a company that ran its whole fleet on Propane. This was in 1997. I didn't see any difference in power, or how the truck responded in traffic, so although I am not sure why exactly propane is inviable, I agree that natural gas could be an alternative to the diesels currently on the roads. Lord knows that the current low sulfur, and burning of emissions in the newer models of trucks are a joke.


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    Re: Obama Says Commitment to Clean Energy Will Boost Jobs

    Quote Originally Posted by LimeLight View Post
    Yes they are a supplement to electricity. And electricity can power pretty much anything if enough is produced and/or stored.
    It was a good read, but I think he's more concerned about emissions rather then clean renewable energy. That's my main concern. He also seems to believe it is rather impossible.

    Government may HAVE to play a part in regulation of the oil and coal industries. Coal and oil work too well, why would an industry go into something that right now doesn't work and is not at all cost effective? They will continue on their path and if emissions are taxed they can make up the cost. Do we as Americans sit back with and wait for someone else to find a renewable solution?
    It is being worked on, believe me. , it there is a breakthrough, the inventors will be very, very rich, even more than Bill Gates. Not that money is the only motivator, lots of scientific progress was made long before govt subsidies or capitalism were ever thought of...
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    Re: Obama Says Commitment to Clean Energy Will Boost Jobs

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Absolutely! gheeze, I have to say, of our disagreements in the past, I am glad that we agree on something...It's nice.

    When I started driving truck, I worked for a company that ran its whole fleet on Propane. This was in 1997. I didn't see any difference in power, or how the truck responded in traffic, so although I am not sure why exactly propane is inviable, I agree that natural gas could be an alternative to the diesels currently on the roads. Lord knows that the current low sulfur, and burning of emissions in the newer models of trucks are a joke.


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    Propane has to be made from other energy sources. It is also heavier than air, so finding a spark to ignite it is easier than with natural gas, which is lighter than air. Problem in the past with natural gas is transporting it. They seem to have made progress there, and less of it is just burned off at well heads..
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    Re: Obama Says Commitment to Clean Energy Will Boost Jobs

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    Propane has to be made from other energy sources. It is also heavier than air, so finding a spark to ignite it is easier than with natural gas, which is lighter than air. Problem in the past with natural gas is transporting it. They seem to have made progress there, and less of it is just burned off at well heads..

    Oh, ok...I didn't know that.

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    Re: Obama Says Commitment to Clean Energy Will Boost Jobs

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    It is being worked on, believe me. , it there is a breakthrough, the inventors will be very, very rich, even more than Bill Gates. Not that money is the only motivator, lots of scientific progress was made long before govt subsidies or capitalism were ever thought of...
    I never said that progress wasn't being made and won't be made in a capitalist system. I'm saying due to the investment needed in general, most industries wont touch solar or wind with a 10 foot pole. But if we fund research of solar and wind we may give more incentive to do so with future advancements in that field.
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    Re: Obama Says Commitment to Clean Energy Will Boost Jobs

    Quote Originally Posted by LimeLight View Post
    I never said that progress wasn't being made and won't be made in a capitalist system. I'm saying due to the investment needed in general, most industries wont touch solar or wind with a 10 foot pole. But if we fund research of solar and wind we may give more incentive to do so with future advancements in that field.

    That is because these sources are unreliable...And will be far longer than it would take to develop current, known sources like Coal, and Oil.


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