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    Re: Obama Says Commitment to Clean Energy Will Boost Jobs

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Care to show us where in the clean water act, that it describes the procedure for cleaning the waste water created by ethonal production? Thanks in advance.
    Ethanol is already being refined in the US, and therefore it has to comply (and already is in complience) with the clean water act. Therefore I can deduce there is already a procedure. The clean water act simply states the requirements such a process would have to fullfill. I am sure you could look up the actual process if you are interested.

    I am also sure a procedure exists because we have been drinking (and refining) beer for centuries.

    Of course of oil refineries, petrochemical plants, chemical plants, natural gas processing plants and other industrial sources have their own waste water problems to deal with as well.

    I am sure the procedure uses stokes law in some way.

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    Re: Obama Says Commitment to Clean Energy Will Boost Jobs

    I do not want us to escalate the use of ethanol for fuel much beyond what is used now. We just don't want our farmland turned over to producing fuel. It is fine used as an additive.

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    Re: Obama Says Commitment to Clean Energy Will Boost Jobs

    Quote Originally Posted by drz-400 View Post
    Ethanol is already being refined in the US, and therefore it has to comply (and already is in complience) with the clean water act. Therefore I can deduce there is already a procedure. The clean water act simply states the requirements such a process would have to fullfill. I am sure you could look up the actual process if you are interested.

    I am also sure a procedure exists because we have been drinking (and refining) beer for centuries.

    Of course of oil refineries, petrochemical plants, chemical plants, natural gas processing plants and other industrial sources have their own waste water problems to deal with as well.

    I am sure the procedure uses stokes law in some way.
    The problem with ethanol and water is not the potential for water pollution, it is the massive amount of water required to make ethanol. Dozens of towns have rejected ethanol plants because they fear the plant will drain the aquifers where there drinking water comes from.

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    Re: Obama Says Commitment to Clean Energy Will Boost Jobs

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    The problem with ethanol and water is not the potential for water pollution, it is the massive amount of water required to make ethanol. Dozens of towns have rejected ethanol plants because they fear the plant will drain the aquifers where there drinking water comes from.
    Buy water from the store or drink gas tainted tap water. What's it going to be?
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    Re: Obama Says Commitment to Clean Energy Will Boost Jobs

    Quote Originally Posted by LimeLight View Post
    Buy water from the store or drink gas tainted tap water. What's it going to be?
    gas tainted tap water ??? Why would that be a choice ?

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    Re: Obama Says Commitment to Clean Energy Will Boost Jobs

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    gas tainted tap water ??? Why would that be a choice ?


    If their water supply is drained at least there is no chance they'll be drinking anything like this.
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    Re: Obama Says Commitment to Clean Energy Will Boost Jobs

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    The problem with ethanol and water is not the potential for water pollution, it is the massive amount of water required to make ethanol. Dozens of towns have rejected ethanol plants because they fear the plant will drain the aquifers where there drinking water comes from.
    Thats fine, don't build them were water is scarce. Maybe next to a river, or a port. Kinda like we already do with oil refineries...

    We don't seem to have much trouble refining massive amounts of oil despite the fact that it takes huge amounts of water for steam and cooling.
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    Re: Obama Says Commitment to Clean Energy Will Boost Jobs

    Ethanol is still just an additive that costs too much for the little it does.....
    If it wasn't for govt subsidies, a lot of similar scams would have never gotten started.
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    Re: Obama Says Commitment to Clean Energy Will Boost Jobs

    Quote Originally Posted by drz-400 View Post
    Thats fine, don't build them were water is scarce. Maybe next to a river, or a port. Kinda like we already do with oil refineries...

    We don't seem to have much trouble refining massive amounts of oil despite the fact that it takes huge amounts of water for steam and cooling.
    They can't use water from a river to produce ethanol, it has to be clean. Water used to refine oil is minicule compared to what is required to manufacture ethanol.

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    Re: Obama Says Commitment to Clean Energy Will Boost Jobs

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    Ethanol is still just an additive that costs too much for the little it does.....
    If it wasn't for govt subsidies, a lot of similar scams would have never gotten started.
    Obviously right now it is an additive, maybe that is all it will ever be, but how is it a scam? If we eliminated our subsidies and protective tariffs on ethanol, it would cost less and we would import more of it. Ethanol can compete with other pertroleum products on its own. The question is whether or not we want to continue to protect, invest in, and grow the US ethanol industry or if we are fine importing the now superior product from brazil.

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