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    Re: Secret Assault on Terrorism Widens on Two Continents

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    Liberals aren't involved. This is the military carrying out these efforts, not Bush or Obama or anyone in the White House or its administration.

    I'm sure on Day One, when the military debriefed Obama on the 157 known terrorist plots to assassinate the sitting U.S. president, he got on board with these efforts immediately.
    Commander in chief takes the heat or gets the credit. I have no problem slamming Obama for a lack of leadership of our armed forces, but I also have to give him props for keeping to Bush's plan of attacking terrorists.

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    Re: Secret Assault on Terrorism Widens on Two Continents

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Why would you "presume" anything of the sort? (And who in Somalia is in any position to give permission, anyway?)
    There are exceptions to what I said, mostly because places like Somalia lack any real government. There are also U.S. military bases in most countries. It would only be a step further to request permission to conduct Al Qaeda hunts outside of the bases.

    I'm not saying I agree with it... I'm just saying that it's not illegal.

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    Re: Secret Assault on Terrorism Widens on Two Continents

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    I take comfort that the conflict is now being managed in a more intelligent manner.

    For the first time in our history, an entity has declared a covert war against us. And we are using similar elements of American power to respond to that covert war. — Representative Adam Smith, Democrat of Washington, who serves on the Intelligence and Armed Services Committees

    But, this story contains a warning that I found disturbing, too.


    We should seek that oversight is rigorous and thorough. It may make our efforts less “efficient” but it will assure that our nation's values and ideals are preserved and protected.

    Excerpted from “Secret Assault on Terrorism Widens on Two Continents” By SCOTT SHANE, MARK MAZZETTI and ROBERT F. WORTH, The New York Times, Published: August 14, 2010
    … [S]uch wars come with many risks: the potential for botched operations that fuel anti-American rage; a blurring of the lines between soldiers and spies that could put troops at risk of being denied Geneva Convention protections; a weakening of the Congressional oversight system put in place to prevent abuses by America’s secret operatives; and a reliance on authoritarian foreign leaders and surrogates with sometimes murky loyalties.



    The Yemen operation has raised a broader question: who should be running the shadow war? White House officials are debating whether the C.I.A. should take over the Yemen campaign as a “covert action,” which would allow the United States to carry out operations even without the approval of Yemen’s government. By law, covert action programs require presidential authorization and formal notification to the Congressional intelligence committees. No such requirements apply to the military’s so-called Special Access Programs, like the Yemen strikes.
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    Re: Secret Assault on Terrorism Widens on Two Continents

    Quote Originally Posted by Orion View Post
    There are exceptions to what I said, mostly because places like Somalia lack any real government. There are also U.S. military bases in most countries. It would only be a step further to request permission to conduct Al Qaeda hunts outside of the bases.

    I'm not saying I agree with it... I'm just saying that it's not illegal.
    You are making my point for me.
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    Re: Secret Assault on Terrorism Widens on Two Continents

    Why are any of you surprised? People who lack a deity to place their faith in usually stat to turn towards big government to solve all their problems. The so-called "shadow war" is nothing but a solution to spread their oppressive new world order form of big government. Big government would never allow these countries to fall under sharia law without a fight. Also, what better way for Obama to get in good grace with conservatives then kill more muslims in more parts of the world.
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    Re: Secret Assault on Terrorism Widens on Two Continents

    Quote Originally Posted by Goof Noodle View Post
    Why are any of you surprised? People who lack a deity to place their faith in usually stat to turn towards big government to solve all their problems. The so-called "shadow war" is nothing but a solution to spread their oppressive new world order form of big government. Big government would never allow these countries to fall under sharia law without a fight. Also, what better way for Obama to get in good grace with conservatives then kill more muslims in more parts of the world.
    With conservatives or with republicans? Cuz if you want to get in the good graces of conservatives...dont increase the entire historical national debt by 24% (add 4 trillion to the deficit) in 18 months. Enact responsible fiscal policies. Stop bribing and buying voters with tax money we dont have.

    Good start.

    Dont kill terrorists to impress conservatives. Kill terrorists because they are piece of **** terrorists that deserve death.

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    Re: Secret Assault on Terrorism Widens on Two Continents

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    1) I'm very glad this is happening. Well-done.

    2) Where are the throngs of protests against these aggressive illegal acts of warmongering and American imperialism?
    Covert action is necessary and reasonable in some foreign countries. If there's going to be a global war on terror, that's the only smart and affordable way to fight it.

    We conduct clandestine activities all over the world and US Presidents have authorized these things for a very long time. People are killed as a result of this, hopefully the right people. Happens all the time. The best thing about fighting using shadow methods is very few Americans are killed.

    Not like Iraq, for instance. That wasn't smart. Invade a country you already control and get thousands of Americans killed. Spend a trillion. That's senseless and unaffordable, and should have been widely protested.
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    Re: Secret Assault on Terrorism Widens on Two Continents

    Quote Originally Posted by tryreading View Post
    Covert action is necessary and reasonable in some foreign countries. If there's going to be a global war on terror, that's the only smart and affordable way to fight it.

    We conduct clandestine activities all over the world and US Presidents have authorized these things for a very long time. People are killed as a result of this, hopefully the right people. Happens all the time. The best thing about fighting using shadow methods is very few Americans are killed.
    Ahem:

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    1) I'm very glad this is happening. Well-done.
    Now:

    Not like Iraq, for instance. That wasn't smart. Invade a country you already control and get thousands of Americans killed. Spend a trillion. That's senseless and unaffordable, and should have been widely protested.
    These are not the objections to which I referred.
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    Re: Secret Assault on Terrorism Widens on Two Continents

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post

    These are not the objections to which I referred.
    What were you referring to here:

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    2) Where are the throngs of protests against these aggressive illegal acts of warmongering and American imperialism?
    Do not write in this space!

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    Re: Secret Assault on Terrorism Widens on Two Continents

    Quote Originally Posted by tryreading View Post
    What were you referring to here:
    Ummm . . .

    2) Where are the throngs of protests against these aggressive illegal acts of warmongering and American imperialism?
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