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    Re: Secret Assault on Terrorism Widens on Two Continents

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    I know this is hard to understand, but we are there AT THE REQUEST of their governments, and working in tandem with their forces. So, it's not really an invasion now, is it, dear?
    According to . . . ? Perhaps in Yemen, but in Africa?

    And when did the Security Council approve all of this?
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    Re: Secret Assault on Terrorism Widens on Two Continents

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    I know this is hard to understand, but we are there AT THE REQUEST of their governments, and working in tandem with their forces. So, it's not really an invasion now, is it, dear?
    Did I miss that in your post? Perhaps. Nonetheless, who cares? Doesn't change my thoughts. And who called it an invasion? Please don't patronize me. It hardly becomes you.
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    Re: Secret Assault on Terrorism Widens on Two Continents

    Presumably all of these countries have given the U.S. permission to conduct these operations, or at least I would hope. Yeah, we could go a step further and theorize that the U.S. is strong-arming them into participating, but regardless, the U.S. military can't legally act without permission.

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    Re: Secret Assault on Terrorism Widens on Two Continents

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    UAV's are one thing but if he's employing ground troops for longer than 90 days I think he should have to get congressional authorization in line with the war powers resolution of 1973, unless he is claiming that he already has this authorization under the AUMF of 2001 but if that were the case he could use the same justification to deploy troops anytime anywhere AQ is believed to be located.
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    Re: Secret Assault on Terrorism Widens on Two Continents

    Quote Originally Posted by Orion View Post
    Presumably all of these countries have given the U.S. permission to conduct these operations, or at least I would hope. Yeah, we could go a step further and theorize that the U.S. is strong-arming them into participating, but regardless, the U.S. military can't legally act without permission.
    Yeah, I'd assume that, too. Why Catz is calling it an invasion escapes me. I'm talking about the White House activating troops in these countries...or maybe we already have troops there, so no 'permission' from Congress is necessary....?
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    Re: Secret Assault on Terrorism Widens on Two Continents

    Quote Originally Posted by Orion View Post
    Presumably all of these countries have given the U.S. permission to conduct these operations, or at least I would hope. Yeah, we could go a step further and theorize that the U.S. is strong-arming them into participating, but regardless, the U.S. military can't legally act without permission.
    Why would you "presume" anything of the sort? (And who in Somalia is in any position to give permission, anyway?)
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    Re: Secret Assault on Terrorism Widens on Two Continents

    Plus:

    For its part, the Pentagon is becoming more like the C.I.A. Across the Middle East and elsewhere, Special Operations troops under secret “Execute Orders” have conducted spying missions that were once the preserve of civilian intelligence agencies. With code names like Eager Pawn and Indigo Spade, such programs typically operate with even less transparency and Congressional oversight than traditional covert actions by the C.I.A.
    Oooooh. Scary scary scary scary. At least it used to be.
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    Re: Secret Assault on Terrorism Widens on Two Continents

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Plus:

    Oooooh. Scary scary scary scary. At least it used to be.
    And THAT brings us back to THIS:
    2) Where are the throngs of protests against these aggressive illegal acts of warmongering and American imperialism?
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    Re: Secret Assault on Terrorism Widens on Two Continents

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Why would you "presume" anything of the sort? (And who in Somalia is in any position to give permission, anyway?)
    A) I seriously doubt that the Pakistani's would have granted permission either, but I don't really give a **** what these governments give us permission to do, if they can't or won't go after AQ then we have the right to act in our own self defense.

    B) The permission that I do care about is that of Congress, I think the AUMF of 2001 is far to broad to be used as justification for any ground troop deployments save of course for in Afghanistan which that specific AUMF was clearly aimed at.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    B) The permission that I do care about is that of Congress, I think the AUMF of 2001 is far to broad to be used as justification for any ground troop deployments save of course for in Afghanistan which that specific AUMF was clearly aimed at.
    Oh, I was planning on getting around to that one as well.
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