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    Re: WikiLeaks Founder Describes Possibility of Casualties as Acceptable Risk

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Its a to part problem.
    Yes he should of redacted the names, I'll admit that.
    I think he got caught in the find and didn't think it through.
    Which is why he is guilty of criminal negligence and reckless endangerment.

    However, those people should of well understood that cooperating with what is the enemy, to many people, may bring disastrous results to their lives.
    They cooperated on the condition of anonymity.

    What about the military itself, they share in the responsibility of not securing their data.
    The military is not resposible for the criminal actions of one of its members. That's like trying to blame Coca Cola for one of their employees leaking their secret formula.

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    Re: WikiLeaks Founder Describes Possibility of Casualties as Acceptable Risk

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    But I thought that Obama said that Afghanistan was the right war?
    What the hell does Obama have to do with any of this.
    I don't even like the guy.

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    I am certainly not for nation building but we had to do something after 9/11 right? What would you have? A strongly worded letter?
    Blow them up, specifically the Taliban government facilities.


    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    So the people that help the US military deserve to be killed? Is that your position?


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    Didn't say that but they took the risk.
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    Re: WikiLeaks Founder Describes Possibility of Casualties as Acceptable Risk

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Yep destroy the ****ing place and get out.
    Don't try to play nice, nice.
    And that would solve absolutely nothing, you destroy the place, leave the place, and the place is still a safe haven for terrorist organzations.


    I didn't say that.
    So then you think he should be prosecuted and sued?

    It's an ideal man, I usually argue in favor of ideals.
    Yes I'd love to see their asses tossed in jail for misleading the people they are supposed to represent.

    If a financial expert does it to his client, it's called fraud.
    And when a politician does it it's called opening their mouth.
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    Re: WikiLeaks Founder Describes Possibility of Casualties as Acceptable Risk

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    Which is why he is guilty of criminal negligence and reckless endangerment.
    Like I said, if he gets charged so be it.
    I don't necessarily want to discourage whistle blowers and the like.

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    They cooperated on the condition of anonymity.
    That ain't fool proof.

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    The military is not resposible for the criminal actions of one of its members. That's like trying to blame Coca Cola for one of their employees leaking their secret formula.
    The military is responsible for it's data network and storage.
    If you read about how the information was obtained, you'll know that the base broke protocol on data safety and security.

    The guy who took it sat right in front of other people and recorded the info on disks pretending like he was listening to a Lady Gaga cd.
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    Re: WikiLeaks Founder Describes Possibility of Casualties as Acceptable Risk

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    And that would solve absolutely nothing, you destroy the place, leave the place, and the place is still a safe haven for terrorist organzations.
    See Pakistan.
    They are providing material support, those documents show that.
    Afghanistan is small potatoes and won't stop Al Qaeda.


    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    So then you think he should be prosecuted and sued?
    Don't care either way.
    Last edited by Harry Guerrilla; 08-17-10 at 12:47 PM. Reason: grammer
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    Re: WikiLeaks Founder Describes Possibility of Casualties as Acceptable Risk

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Like I said, if he gets charged so be it.
    I don't necessarily want to discourage whistle blowers and the like.
    But yet you support actions which discourage Afghans from informing on the Taliban.

    That ain't fool proof.
    Not when you have assholes making un-researched and redacted mass intelligence dumps on the internet.

    The military is responsible for it's data network and storage.
    If you read about how the information was obtained, you'll know that the base broke protocol on data safety and security.

    The guy who took it sat right in front of other people and recorded the info on disks pretending like he was listening to a Lady Gaga cd.
    But it is the individuals who intentionally broke the law who are criminally negligent.

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    Re: WikiLeaks Founder Describes Possibility of Casualties as Acceptable Risk

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    But yet you support actions which discourage Afghans from informing on the Taliban.
    No I don't.
    I just prefer transparency in government.

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    Not when you have assholes making un-researched and redacted mass intelligence dumps on the internet.
    Do you expect people to perfectly good?
    We wouldn't be in Afghanistan if that were true.
    I can't stop the guy from doing stuff like that and he may not get in trouble for being sloppy with his data dump.

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    But it is the individuals who intentionally broke the law who are criminally negligent.
    Probably, that doesn't excuse the military for security protocol laziness.
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    Re: WikiLeaks Founder Describes Possibility of Casualties as Acceptable Risk

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Like I said, if he gets charged so be it.
    I don't necessarily want to discourage whistle blowers and the like.

    Whistleblowers? This guy [Bradley Manning] was anything but, he is just another liberal activist that was in a position in the army that he shouldn't have been in.

    In an apparent swipe at the army, he also wrote: "Bradley Manning is not a piece of equipment," and quoted a joke about "military intelligence" being an oxymoron.

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    Pictures on Mr Manning's Facebook page include photos of him on school trips during his time in Wales and at a gay rights rally, where he is holding up a placard demanding equality on "the battlefield".

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    His tagline on his personal page reads: "Take me for who I am, or face the consequences!"

    Bradley Manning, suspected source of Wikileaks documents, raged on his Facebook page - Telegraph

    This guy is far from any "whistleblower" supposedly doing the 'right thing' here. He is a disgruntled gay activist that was in a position to have access to damaging information, and because of his own weakness, we see what happens.


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    Re: WikiLeaks Founder Describes Possibility of Casualties as Acceptable Risk

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Whistleblowers? This guy [Bradley Manning] was anything but, he is just another liberal activist that was in a position in the army that he shouldn't have been in.

    This guy is far from any "whistleblower" supposedly doing the 'right thing' here. He is a disgruntled gay activist that was in a position to have access to damaging information, and because of his own weakness, we see what happens.


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    I don't care about his sexual or political identity.
    That is irrelevant.

    I admit that I take a bad position on this but I don't think it's wise, to classify large swaths of information as secret.
    It's contradictory to the idea of free country.
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    Re: WikiLeaks Founder Describes Possibility of Casualties as Acceptable Risk

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    I admit that I take a bad position on this but I don't think it's wise, to classify large swaths of information as secret.
    It's contradictory to the idea of free country.
    That's the sinch of it for me too... I think classification is being abused to keep the public in the dark on way too much. Government has almost completely become its own autonomous entity that is answerable to no one. The general public is just for fundraising, but we don't get a say.

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