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    Re: WikiLeaks Founder Describes Possibility of Casualties as Acceptable Risk

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    The fundamental conflict is that the secrets act is being abused and its hard to unwind the stuff that should be secrets vs coverups and other shenanagans. Its unfortunate that it has to come to this, but it wouldn't have been an issue if the pentegon and other agencies had been more responsible.
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    No excuse to use state secrecy to hide possible corruption.
    They were asking for it.
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    Re: WikiLeaks Founder Describes Possibility of Casualties as Acceptable Risk

    As I obviously can't do anything to stop this guy, I'm holding my judgment until he releases the documents. If the documents show clear examples of war crimes then the documents should be released.

    But what I don't get is why specific names can't be removed. If there's a name of an Afghan spy working for the U.S. in a document... white-out... no problem.

    Unless these documents have specific names of people (or enough information to determine the person being mentioned in the document), I don't buy the "this will get people killed" argument. The Taliban already have enough reasons to hate America and those helping us. And I'm sure most people in Afghanistan know of at least one civilian who has been killed or injured. If they haven't joined the Taliban after 9+ years of the war, I doubt they will now...

    Still though, I'm holding my judgment.
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    Re: WikiLeaks Founder Describes Possibility of Casualties as Acceptable Risk

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    This.

    No excuse to use state secrecy to hide possible corruption.
    They were asking for it.
    So what corruption has been uncovered? Is it worth the lives of those Afghanistan people whose names have been published as working with the US forces and who now are targets, and their families are targets?
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    Re: WikiLeaks Founder Describes Possibility of Casualties as Acceptable Risk

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    So what corruption has been uncovered? Is it worth the lives of those Afghanistan people whose names have been published as working with the US forces and who now are targets, and their families are targets?
    The potential to get certain people to tighten up their approach to engaging enemies has the potential to save more people than the release of any names.
    If I'm not mistaken there was an attempt to cover up at least one engagement by the military brass.
    Unacceptable.

    Sorry but transparency in government is more important.
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    Re: WikiLeaks Founder Describes Possibility of Casualties as Acceptable Risk

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    The potential to get certain people to tighten up their approach to engaging enemies has the potential to save more people than the release of any names.
    If I'm not mistaken there was an attempt to cover up at least one engagement by the military brass.
    Unacceptable.

    Sorry but transparency in government is more important.
    Sorry, but that is easy to say since your name was not one of those released. It's not your family that is at risk. There is no evidence I have seen yet that we have learned anything particularly dramatic in this, but real people have been put at risk. If this asshole had taken the time to redact names, you might have an argument, but he did not, preferring to get views to his website over protecting people.
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    Re: WikiLeaks Founder Describes Possibility of Casualties as Acceptable Risk

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Sorry, but that is easy to say since your name was not one of those released. It's not your family that is at risk. There is no evidence I have seen yet that we have learned anything particularly dramatic in this, but real people have been put at risk. If this asshole had taken the time to redact names, you might have an argument, but he did not, preferring to get views to his website over protecting people.
    I would of never had put my family in such a situation in the first place, so you're right.

    When you become an informant, you accept that danger.

    Edit: It's already done
    So in the sake of what may be better, you're going to have to weigh the people who put themselves in danger vs. the potential that some people may be saved.
    I'm siding with the potential.
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    Re: WikiLeaks Founder Describes Possibility of Casualties as Acceptable Risk

    I read an article earlier last week that there are thousands more documents being prepped for release in the next two weeks that may be equally as damaging. I'm really curious to see what happens to WikiLeaks if they keep it up.

    I don't really respect the fact that soldiers are in danger over this, but I equally don't appreciate how we are being lied to about just how badly this war is going. Maybe if the press had fair access to report on what is really happening, weasels like Assange wouldn't have such golden opportunities to make a name for themselves. Our governments are keeping us in the dark while using our tax money to fund their dream operations overseas. Who knows what is really going on, especially in the intelligence world.

    I support the documents being released, ultimately. We're supposed to live in a democracy and if the war is going badly then we should know about it.

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    Re: WikiLeaks Founder Describes Possibility of Casualties as Acceptable Risk

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Not all of the documents that have been posted should even have been classified in the first place. I thought that Obama was going to create greater openness in government?
    Information does not have to be classified to be harmful. There are levels of sensitivity as well. I'm all for freedom of the press, but I doubt this individual has the training or the background on the material he is handling to understand what he should or should not release.
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    Re: WikiLeaks Founder Describes Possibility of Casualties as Acceptable Risk

    Quote Originally Posted by Orion View Post
    I read an article earlier last week that there are thousands more documents being prepped for release in the next two weeks that may be equally as damaging. I'm really curious to see what happens to WikiLeaks if they keep it up.

    I don't really respect the fact that soldiers are in danger over this, but I equally don't appreciate how we are being lied to about just how badly this war is going. Maybe if the press had fair access to report on what is really happening, weasels like Assange wouldn't have such golden opportunities to make a name for themselves. Our governments are keeping us in the dark while using our tax money to fund their dream operations overseas. Who knows what is really going on, especially in the intelligence world.

    I support the documents being released, ultimately. We're supposed to live in a democracy and if the war is going badly then we should know about it.

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    Re: WikiLeaks Founder Describes Possibility of Casualties as Acceptable Risk

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    This.

    No excuse to use state secrecy to hide possible corruption.
    They were asking for it.
    They were asking for someone to out the names of those Afghans aiding Coalition forces? How does this guy not already have an INTERPOL warrant out for his arrest?
    Last edited by Agent Ferris; 08-17-10 at 11:52 AM.

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