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NYPOST: Hamas supports Ground Zero Mosque

texmaster said:
Of course not. I said it in dispute of your characterization of the man.
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In what way does that show that he will kill 3000 people?

texmaster said:
Its a fact. The question is why. Exactly how is that a straw man? Explain yourself.
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Because we don't know the details as to why and it may be a totally dissimilar situation.
There's no point bringing it up if you don't have all the facts.
 
Harry Guerrilla said:
In what way does that show that he will kill 3000 people?
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It doesn't. Nor did I say it did. It simply paints a realistic picture of what this man truely believes.

Because we don't know the details as to why and it may be a totally dissimilar situation.
There's no point bringing it up if you don't have all the facts.
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Actually, we do to a point.

[T]he church exists only on blueprints. The Port Authority of New York and New Jersey, the agency overseeing reconstruction, has not finalized the exchange of land needed to provide the congregation with a new home near ground zero."

Yet they found time to approve the Mosque. The same question is still on the table. Why?

Why do you want to look past the church which was actually destroyed and caught in "red tape" when the Mosque went right through the committee?


Greek Orthodox Church destroyed on 9/11 still not rebuilt | One Minute Lawyer
 
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texmaster said:
It doesn't. Nor did I say it did. It simply paints a realistic picture of what this man truely believes.
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So what?
A lot of other people believe the exact same thing.
Should we now deny people the ability to own homes and businesses because of what they believe?

What happens if what you believe becomes socially criminal?
Should you be denied your Constitutional rights?

You know something, we have the freedom of thought and association.
I thought conservatives were for the literal interpretation of The Constitution.

texmaster said:
Actually, we do.

[T]he church exists only on blueprints. The Port Authority of New York and New Jersey, the agency overseeing reconstruction, has not finalized the exchange of land needed to provide the congregation with a new home near ground zero."

Yet they found time to approve the Mosque. The same question is still on the table. Why?

Why do you want to look past the church which was actually destroyed and caught in "red tape" when the Mosque went right through the committee?


Greek Orthodox Church destroyed on 9/11 still not rebuilt | One Minute Lawyer
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I think someone else has already pointed out that they want to build on land owned by the port authority.
A whole different sack of potatoes.
 
texmaster said:
It doesn't. Nor did I say it did. It simply paints a realistic picture of what this man truely believes.



Actually, we do to a point.

[T]he church exists only on blueprints. The Port Authority of New York and New Jersey, the agency overseeing reconstruction, has not finalized the exchange of land needed to provide the congregation with a new home near ground zero."

Yet they found time to approve the Mosque. The same question is still on the table. Why?

Why do you want to look past the church which was actually destroyed and caught in "red tape" when the Mosque went right through the committee?


Greek Orthodox Church destroyed on 9/11 still not rebuilt | One Minute Lawyer
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The difference is the Church can still be rebuilt where it originally stood, but they want to move it to a different location. So the Church and Port Authority are going through talks.

The church has for several years wanted to build the new St. Nicholas a block northeast of its original home on Cedar Street. But doing so would require trading land with the Port Authority, and an agreement has proven elusive. In the meantime, the church designed a domed marble complex that would be six times the size of its original home, and far more expensive.

Both St. Nicholas and the Port Authority are eager to resolve the issues quickly, especially since the authority plans to pick a contractor to build the southern perimeter wall for the entire site this summer, and it needs title to the church’s property to proceed. But officials involved in the talks say there remain substantial differences over the size of the church complex and the amount of money the Port Authority will contribute to building it.[\QUOTE]
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Harry Guerrilla said:
So what?
A lot of other people believe the exact same thing.
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A lot of other people aren't planning to build a Mosque so close to 9.11

Should we now deny people the ability to own homes and businesses because of what they believe?

What happens if what you believe becomes socially criminal?
Should you be denied your Constitutional rights?
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Is that what I advocated? Are you really relating 9.11 to regular people purchasing a home?

You know something, we have the freedom of thought and association.
I thought conservatives were for the literal interpretation of The Constitution.
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Absolutely. That doesn't mean we can ignore the largest terrorist attack in history either when weighing something as emotionally driven as this. Do we not have to look out for the public good?

I think someone else has already pointed out that they want to build on land owned by the port authority.
A whole different sack of potatoes.
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10 years is a lot of potatoes
 
texmaster said:
A lot of other people aren't planning to build a Mosque so close to 9.11
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Again so what?
You don't own the property and you don't make the rules.

texmaster said:
Is that what I advocated? Are you really relating 9.11 to regular people purchasing a home?
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Of course, you're advocating someone not being able to build a home for the their religious services because someone else, that had no connection with them, did something bad.

It's moronic.

texmaster said:
Absolutely. That doesn't mean we can ignore the largest terrorist attack in history either when weighing something as emotionally driven as this. Do we not have to look out for the public good?
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It's in the past, that mosque won't cause more people to die.
Get over it.

texmaster said:
10 years is a lot of potatoes
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It is to me to but I don't run NY and neither do you.
The issue with the church is different than the issue with the mosque.
 
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texmaster said:
Absolutely. That doesn't mean we can ignore the largest terrorist attack in history either when weighing something as emotionally driven as this. Do we not have to look out for the public good?
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So basically we should ignore the Constitution when it requires conclusions we don't like.

Conservatives and liberals really aren't all that dissimilar, are they?
 
Harry Guerrilla said:
So what?
A lot of other people believe the exact same thing.
Should we now deny people the ability to own homes and businesses because of what they believe?

What happens if what you believe becomes socially criminal?
Should you be denied your Constitutional rights?

You know something, we have the freedom of thought and association.
I thought conservatives were for the literal interpretation of The Constitution.
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Be careful. You'll probably be labeled a fake libertarian for not jumping on the "No Mosque" band wagon.
 
Catz Part Deux said:
Be careful. You'll probably be labeled a fake libertarian for not jumping on the "No Mosque" band wagon.
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We're supposed to be against the mosque? Nobody ever tells me anything ...
 
As far as people on the right go Hussein Obama is the gift that keeps on giving.........
 
Navy Pride said:
As far as people on the right go Hussein Obama is the gift that keeps on giving.........
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Why because he isn't against a mosque being built two blocks from the World Trade Centers?
 
soccerboy22 said:
Why because he isn't against a mosque being built two blocks from the World Trade Centers?
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He was for it before he was against it. Or maybe it was the other way around?
 
Coronado said:
He was for it before he was against it. Or maybe it was the other way around?
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I don't think President Obama could have ever have been against it. I mean he is a secret Muslim.
 
Coronado said:
So basically we should ignore the Constitution when it requires conclusions we don't like.

Conservatives and liberals really aren't all that dissimilar, are they?
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So your arguement is the public good isn't in the Constitution?
 
Agent Ferris said:
I hereby declare the NYT's a tabloid, I said it, it's now even written down on an open source website, thus it is fact. Truthiness and that's the word.
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Oh sorry yes. It's a Conservative leaning Tabloid. My apologies.

no wonder you love it so much.
 
Harry Guerrilla said:
Again so what?
You don't own the property and you don't make the rules.
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Can you point to any time where I said I make the rules? See, that is an actual straw man argument.

Of course, you're advocating someone not being able to build a home for the their religious services because someone else, that had no connection with them, did something bad.

It's moronic.
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In the name of their religion. The same religion. The only moronic thing here is to deny the connection.

It's in the past, that mosque won't cause more people to die.
Get over it.
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Show me where I ever said the mosque will cause more people to die.

Please do not make up statements I never made.

It is to me to but I don't run NY and neither do you.
The issue with the church is different than the issue with the mosque.
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How so? Do they both want to build? Did one fight for years longer than the other?
 
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