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President Obama comes out in support of Ground Zero mosque

German guy said:
As I see it, there are 68% of Americans who can't make a difference between terrorist criminal monsters and the religion of Islam. There is no point in debating that: Either you think the entire religion has to be held responsible for 9/11, or you have no problem with a mosque there. There is no grey area.
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I just don't understand how you can possibly think this is so black and white.

I think they have an absolute right to build their mosque there. I'm not offended by their decision. I even think it's somewhat irrational to be particularly upset by this. However, a blind, deaf and dumb 8 year old could have predicted that there would have been a fair number of people who would be upset by this, regardless of whether it would be rational for them to feel that way. I think that if all else was equal, it would be a better decision in terms of avoiding controversy for the backers of this mosque to have chosen a different location. I understand that all else is probably not equal, and that there are probably several reasons why they would choose this place over the alternatives. However, that doesn't mean that I can't think that it would be fortuitous if there happened to be another location available that served everyone's needs even better. Even if the people opposed to the location are entirely irrational, they're still people who may be less favorable toward Islam in general upon seeing this. That would be a shame, and a step in the wrong direction for improving relations. You can call that dumb, but it's a simple reality.

And don't attack a strawman. Nowhere did I equate gassing millions of people with opposition to building a mosque.

But the xenophobic, bigoted climate against an entire religion is definitely comparable. You could easily get the anti Muslim croud for whom "Islam = terrorism" to support a "final solution of the Muslim question", there is not the slightest doubt about it. Just read what these people write on forums like this one. Not even mentioning what you could hear on American streets in the first few months and years after 9/11.
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"Nowhere did I equate the gassing of millions of people to the opposition to this mosque. I just said that it's definitely comparable and that it's entirely plausible to believe that opposition to this mosque will lead to another holocaust."
 
As to the earlier discussion about location:

Dear Rest-of-America: Take This Map, It's Why You're Wrong About the "Ground Zero Mosque" - New York News - Runnin' Scared

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Also:

"Hallowed Ground" | History Eraser Button

Photos of a few things the same distance from Ground Zero:

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upsideguy said:
This might be the biggest non-issue on this board..... It is an Islamic cultural center, which includes a Mosque and its more then two blocks away. 1) its not on ground zero and 2) so what if it is? People that get their panties in a bunch over this issue need to get a grip.... on real issues.

It is just disgusting to me how intolerant we Americans have become. I thought we were better than this.....
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A non-issue? Don't you realize America is under attack? Extremist radical Muslims, including our own president, are going to build this Mosque as a symbol of their Islamic victory and to purposely spite us! They are trying to take over the country! If we don't act now and stop the construction of this mosque, we and our children and our children's children we be forced to live under an Islamic government and Sharia law! We will be stoned for committing adultery and our women will have to wear those funny looking black robes! This probably the biggest issue facing this country right now! Forget the economy, forget the two wars we are in, forget that Iran is developing nucs, forget that we are on the verge of a war with North Korea and China, the biggest issue and biggest danger facing this country is this Muslim cultural center! Somebody Help us!
 
Agent Ferris said:
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Tolerance of the intolerant is not a virtue.
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Which is exactly why I am taking those that are all worked up over this to task.... I have no tolerance for intolerant Americans (that is my intolerance)...
 
Johnny DooWop said:
A non-issue? Don't you realize America is under attack? Extremist radical Muslims, including our own president, are going to build this Mosque as a symbol of their Islamic victory and to purposely spite us! They are trying to take over the country! If we don't act now and stop the construction of this mosque, we and our children and our children's children we be forced to live under an Islamic government and Sharia law! We will be stoned for committing adultery and our women will have to wear those funny looking black robes! This probably the biggest issue facing this country right now! Forget the economy, forget the two wars we are in, forget that Iran is developing nucs, forget that we are on the verge of a war with North Korea and China, the biggest issue and biggest danger facing this country is this Muslim cultural center! Somebody Help us!
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Sorry you missed your flight.... I am sure you can catch the next flight back to the Planet Earth....
 
upsideguy said:
Which is exactly why I am taking those that are all worked up over this to task.... I have no tolerance for intolerant Americans (that is my intolerance)...
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lol, and yet you have tolerance for an oppressive ideology. I am not tolerant of Islam because I am not tolerant of the intolerant.
 
deltabtry said:
could this be coming to NYC...perhaps. I read here form a few that Americans are intolerant...are we?
Is this America? Christian activists arrested in Dearborn just for showing up at Arab Festival - Jihad Watch
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Yes! This is coming to NYC! We must stop this madness! The Muslims will take over the country, and their headquarters will be this mosque and Barack Obama will be the sultan! And they will plot their take over of America from that very building! Just like they kicked out those Christians at the festival, they will try to kick all Christians out of the country or put us in concentration camps! We must stop this building!
 
Johnny DooWop said:
Yes! This is coming to NYC! We must stop this madness! The Muslims will take over the country, and their headquarters will be this mosque and Barack Obama will be the sultan! And they will plot their take over of America from that very building! Just like they kicked out those Christians at the festival, they will try to kick all Christians out of the country or put us in concentration camps! We must stop this building!
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You best run for the hills...
 
deltabtry said:
You best run for the hills...
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par·a·noi·a   [par-uh-noi-uh] Show IPA
–noun
1.
Psychiatry . a mental disorder characterized by systematized delusions and the projection of personal conflicts, which are ascribed to the supposed hostility of others, sometimes progressing to disturbances of consciousness and aggressive acts believed to be performed in self-defense or as a mission.
2.
baseless or excessive suspicion of the motives of others.
 
Johnny DooWop said:
par·a·noi·a   [par-uh-noi-uh] Show IPA
–noun
1.
Psychiatry . a mental disorder characterized by systematized delusions and the projection of personal conflicts, which are ascribed to the supposed hostility of others, sometimes progressing to disturbances of consciousness and aggressive acts believed to be performed in self-defense or as a mission.
2.
baseless or excessive suspicion of the motives of others.
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Hey you watched the video too...good.
 
Johnny DooWop said:
Yes! This is coming to NYC! We must stop this madness! The Muslims will take over the country, and their headquarters will be this mosque and Barack Obama will be the sultan! And they will plot their take over of America from that very building! Just like they kicked out those Christians at the festival, they will try to kick all Christians out of the country or put us in concentration camps! We must stop this building!
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There's a line somewhere between the occasional use of satire to prove a point and wholesale trolling. Try to stay on the good side of it.
 
Agent Ferris said:
lol, and yet you have tolerance for an oppressive ideology. I am not tolerant of Islam because I am not tolerant of the intolerant.
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Have you ever sat down and talked to a Muslim? Do you also think that all Jews have a little bag of fake gold on their neck as a decoy for the real bag of gold they have in their sock?
 
chevydriver1123 said:
Except that Obama doesnt give a damm about people's rights. His MO is that if conservatives are against it, by default he has to be for it. Did Obama do the right thing? Yes but only in spite not because its the right thing to do.
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Seems that the person who is reflexively opposed to something (i.e. Obama) is you.
 
JohnWOlin said:
Have you ever sat down and talked to a Muslim?
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Holy **** I never once mentioned Muslims I specifically said "Islam", nice Muslims say absolutely nothing about the tenets of Islam, the only accepted views in all five major schools of Islam is that the penalties for apostasy, homosexuality, adultery, and/or premarital sex are capital and/or corporal punishment. I'll say it again that is the only accepted view within mainstream Islam today. A Muslim who opposes that view says absolutely nothing about Islam itself anymore than a pro-Choice Catholic says about the Catholicism view on abortion.

Do you also think that all Jews have a little bag of fake gold on their neck as a decoy for the real bag of gold they have in their sock?
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No, everyone knows that they keep it tied to their horns.
 
Agent Ferris said:
Holy **** I never once mentioned Muslims I specifically said "Islam", nice Muslims say absolutely nothing about the tenets of Islam, the only accepted views in all five major schools of Islam is that the penalties for apostasy, homosexuality, adultery, and/or premarital sex are capital and/or corporal punishment. I'll say it again that is the only accepted view within mainstream Islam today. A Muslim who opposes that view says absolutely nothing about Islam itself anymore than a pro-Choice Catholic says about the Catholicism view on abortion.




No, everyone knows that they keep it tied to their horns.
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You may want to check your facts. Countries that live under Sharia law rarely if ever execute people for having premarital sex. For adultery yes, and even this is dwindling down. Pakistan recently removed adultery from the list of capital crimes. I guess, according to you they are considered heretics?
 
Johnny DooWop said:
Are Muslim extremist terrorist trying to build a mosque in Manhattan?
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My response to your comment (which did not really address the specific topic of the mosque) had absolutely nothing to do with the mosque.
It had everything to do with your comparison of nazis (group in power) hate of jews to a select group of rabid muslim hating (laughing stock of idiots) people who talk about (but don't engage in) mass killing of muslims.
 
zip98053 said:
Seems that the person who is reflexively opposed to something (i.e. Obama) is you.
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