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President Obama comes out in support of Ground Zero mosque

Remember the two main issue that plaque the GZ Mosque:

(1.) The GZ Imam. Imam Feisal Rauf has made insensative and pro-terrorist comments to the media in the past including in his recent book blaming America for the 9/11 attacks (due to its support of Israel). Imam Rauf has also called for the destruction of Israel (Al Jazeera, Oct 2009) if Israel "continues it policy of attacking Palestinian children." Rauf's wife Daisy has made anti-Semitic and inflammatory remarks in the past as well. With these comments, many are wondering if the GZ Mosque will be a hotbed of terrorist sympathies or draw anti-Semitic Imam's to its doors. Please note that *** all women are barred from worship with men *** at the Center, following strict Islamic Sharia Law rules.

(2.) Money. The Cordoba Initiative has yet to release its FY2008-2009/2009-2010 tax records, or answer the question how they went from $100,000 in cash liquidity to nearly $100,000,000 in assets without disclosure. CNN's Anderson Cooper asked Friday: "Where is the money coming from?"

Actually, neither one of those are the issue. The issue is whether or not the mosque can be built here legally. It can. Those are just attempts to smear those building it, and once again, an appeal to emotion.
 
Right, I've got a question since you're a new yorker.

I'm trying to look at the maps here and what I see is this.

Ground Zero is flanked by Three "major" streets it looks like. Barclay on its north, Church on its east, and West St on its West.

It also seems like it's main Subway stop would be "World Trade Center Station".

Now it appears that this proposed Mosque is in a building on the opposite side of the WTC on Barclay, a good 3 blocks from the next major street street (Chambers). Additionally, it appears to me that the "World Trade Center" subway would be the prime subway stop servicing it.

Now, I'll fully admit my only real means of how to view a city is inspired by DC because its the only major metro city I've spent a fair bit of time in. However, in DC, generally the blocks surrouding a Metro Stop that's primarily serviced by said Metro stop are generally viewed as that "area". So the Dupont Circle area is generally considered the multiple blocks within walking distance to the Dupont Circle metro, with that being the closest metro stop for those areas. The China Town section of the city is actually NOT considered just "China Town" but the multiple blocks that would call the China Town metro stop their closest Metro station.

To me, the fact its "2 blocks away" means no more than going into a small town and saying that a store front is "two buildings down" from another. In relation to the city and its size and scope and its infastructure its essentially part of the same generalized area.

I guess the only difference would be is if Cortlandt St Station is considered more the "World Trade Center" station then well, "World Trade Center" station is. If that's the case it would possibly change my view a bit...but as it stands, to me 2 blocks in a large metro city layout still seems like "next door" to me.
 
Whatever dude....You're right about one thing, at least I hope you are, and that is the the building is damned by God.


j-mac


Which means?

Come on, stand proud and say it. Do you hope the building gets blown up? That it collapses? What?
 
Really? I'm seeing more fear from the repubs - fear is based in ignorance.

Yes. 9.11, the USS Cole, the two embassy bombings in Africa, Indonesia bombings, London boming, Spain bombing and first WTC attack didn't really happen did it?
 
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Actually, neither one of those are the issue. The issue is whether or not the mosque can be built here legally. It can. Those are just attempts to smear those building it, and once again, an appeal to emotion.


Who made you the decider of what the issues are?


j-mac
 
Progressive Democrats who bash Israel (and make no bones about it), capitalism, America, Christianity, the Boy Scouts ... are now *excrutiatingly silent* on the Ground Zero Mosque, its team of anti-Semitic Imam's and staffers, as well as its internecine links to global terrorism. Dem's seem unable to step up and support Imam Feisal, his wife or their pro-Hamas staff ... though Mr. Obama has weighed in and fully supports the Hamas-backed mosque.

Cat gotcher tongue?

Democrats?

< crickets ... >

Dem pols (to me) are no different than Repub's on this issue: They are scared to death and will not go on the record.

Any day of the week Dem's like Rangel, (the former Chappaquidick Teddy), Kerry, Waters will wax on about Castro and "the miracle of Cuban health care" ... but remain *silent* when faced with such a religious donnybrook as this.

Hypocrisy knows no color but a progressive who remains silent before bigotry.
 
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you all, i presume, are familiar with the deep ties between new york and florida, where businessman jeff greene is currently trailing congressman kendrick meek for the party's nomination to take on bill mccollum for charlie crist's office in tallahassee

Democrat Jeff Greene released a deeply critical statement. "President Obama has this all wrong, and I strongly oppose his support for building a mosque near ground zero, especially since Islamic terrorists have bragged and celebrated destroying the Twin Towers and killing nearly 3,000 Americans,” he said.

Rep. Kendrick Meek, the establishment’s favorite in the Democratic primary, responded by staying noncommittal.

"Our nation was founded on the pillar of religious freedom, and construction of the mosque should not be denied on religious grounds, but this is ultimately a decision for the local community in New York City to make," he said in a statement to POLITICO.

Mosque flap swirls around Obama - James Hohmann and Maggie Haberman and Mike Allen - POLITICO.com

the point---it's not just in ny, it's spreading

surprised?
 
The Prof,

I stand corrected.

There is a Democrat who is *against* the GZM. Kudo's to Jeff Greene (D-Fl) for standing up against the progressive left and for survivors of Islamic terror.

Rep. Meek shares the progressive left's view of the GZM and will probably not make a statement until his constituents turn against him.

Finger to the wind ...
 
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Which means?

Come on, stand proud and say it. Do you hope the building gets blown up? That it collapses? What?


I didn't say that, but I have no doubt that those progressives in here misrepresenting my thoughts will now attribute that to me....I guess it only takes someone to say it eh?


j-mac
 
I didn't say that, but I have no doubt that those progressives in here misrepresenting my thoughts will now attribute that to me....I guess it only takes someone to say it eh?


j-mac
Which progressives are misrepresenting your thoughts?
 
Right, I've got a question since you're a new yorker.

I'm trying to look at the maps here and what I see is this.

Ground Zero is flanked by Three "major" streets it looks like. Barclay on its north, Church on its east, and West St on its West.

It also seems like it's main Subway stop would be "World Trade Center Station".

Now it appears that this proposed Mosque is in a building on the opposite side of the WTC on Barclay, a good 3 blocks from the next major street street (Chambers). Additionally, it appears to me that the "World Trade Center" subway would be the prime subway stop servicing it.

Now, I'll fully admit my only real means of how to view a city is inspired by DC because its the only major metro city I've spent a fair bit of time in. However, in DC, generally the blocks surrouding a Metro Stop that's primarily serviced by said Metro stop are generally viewed as that "area". So the Dupont Circle area is generally considered the multiple blocks within walking distance to the Dupont Circle metro, with that being the closest metro stop for those areas. The China Town section of the city is actually NOT considered just "China Town" but the multiple blocks that would call the China Town metro stop their closest Metro station.

To me, the fact its "2 blocks away" means no more than going into a small town and saying that a store front is "two buildings down" from another. In relation to the city and its size and scope and its infastructure its essentially part of the same generalized area.

I guess the only difference would be is if Cortlandt St Station is considered more the "World Trade Center" station then well, "World Trade Center" station is. If that's the case it would possibly change my view a bit...but as it stands, to me 2 blocks in a large metro city layout still seems like "next door" to me.

I mean, it's certainly in the vicinity of the WTC, but there are absolutely tons of things in that area that make it seem less so. The exact location is here:

45-47 park place, ny, ny - Google Maps

I think it's different from DC in that just because you're a few blocks away from something, you wouldn't really consider that the same area. City hall park is about the same distance away, and it seems like an entirely different area.

I guess the best way to describe it is this: I've used the subway stops at Chambers St and park place probably a hundred times. When you're using either stop, you don't get the feeling that you're anywhere near the WTC. The fulton st 4/5 stop has two exits: One that's marked on the map on the corner of broadway, the other that's unmarked and is actually located on church street directly across the st from the site. When you walk out of the closer exit, you definitely get the feeling you're there because you're looking directly at the (lack of) construction. When you walk out of the one on broadway, you sort of do, but only because St. Paul's is right there and there's nothing else blocking your view.

I don't know if it's because of the density of the buildings or because of the way the streets in lower manhattan are so poorly laid out, but you never really feel like you're near the site until you can actually physically see it. If you're a few blocks away and in between two streets, it feels like you might as well be in Queens.
 
So let's see, other than trolling what are you adding to the debate?


j-mac

If you believe that's what he is doing, report him. You don't have to respond each and every time somebody else does.
 
I didn't say that, but I have no doubt that those progressives in here misrepresenting my thoughts will now attribute that to me....I guess it only takes someone to say it eh?


j-mac

If that's not what you mean, I'm open to correction. You said you hope the building is damned. What does that mean?
 
The Prof,

I stand corrected.

There is a Democrat who is *against* the GZM. Kudo's to Jeff Greene (D-Fl) for standing up against the progressive left and for survivors of Islamic terror.

Rep. Meek shares the progressive left's view of the GZM and will probably not make a statement until his constituents turn against him.

Finger to the wind ...

Ahh, yes, the Republican party has its issue for this year's elections. Not the economy, but the building of a mosque in New York City. LMAO.
 
If that's not what you mean, I'm open to correction. You said you hope the building is damned. What does that mean?


I am saying that I hope that the lying Imam Rauf and his backers decide to move the location of their Mosque of conquest.

I am saying that if they don't I hope they can't find one crew to work on it in NY.

I am saying that if they do build it I hope that it is befallen with bad luck the entire time it is allowed to remain there.

And I hope that no one gets hurt in this.


j-mac
 
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If you believe that's what he is doing, report him. You don't have to respond each and every time somebody else does.

I don't go cryin to mommy every time some liberal tries to misrepresent me, neither do I blow up in some ranting rage because I am being misrepresented. It's politics, part of the game. If you have to go cryin' to the mods every time you feel slighted then I truly feel sorry for you in real life.


j-mac
 
I didn't say that, but I have no doubt that those progressives in here misrepresenting my thoughts will now attribute that to me....I guess it only takes someone to say it eh?


j-mac
Which progressives are misrepresenting your thoughts?
 
I truly feel sorry for you in real life.


j-mac

You truly do? That's so sweet! You should know, though; there's a world of space between never reporting and reporting every single time.
 
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