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President Obama comes out in support of Ground Zero mosque

So now liberals are concerned with religious freedom? Well thank goodness that it isn't a Christian church we are speaking of, the argument would probably be 180 degrees turned around.

BTW, can you answer why this Mosque is being fast tracked, while St. Nicholas is being stonewalled?


j-mac

Christian churches can be built anywhere they want to as long as they follow zoning laws. Liberals are 100 % consistent on this. Nice spin though.
 
Straw man and straw man.

Just wondering outloud....Si if it is a straw man argument, do you then concede that if the tables were turned you'd be arguing against the Christian church? Just curious.


Relevance?

the relevance is that there is a Greek Orthodox Church that has been established in this area for decades, was damaged by 9/11, and is meeting with flack over getting permits to rebuild, meanwhile the Mosque gets the immediate green light? Why?


j-mac
 
Christian churches can be built anywhere they want to as long as they follow zoning laws. Liberals are 100 % consistent on this. Nice spin though.

Uh huh...Tell that to those in CA concerning that Cross that had to be taken down. Tell that to the parishioners of St Nicholas church NYC.


j-mac
 
Just wondering outloud....Si if it is a straw man argument, do you then concede that if the tables were turned you'd be arguing against the Christian church? Just curious.
Do you even know what a straw man is?

And no, I would not be arguing against a Christian church being built if it were in compliance with all relevant zoning ordinances. Sorry to disappoint you.
the relevance is that there is a Greek Orthodox Church that has been established in this area for decades, was damaged by 9/11, and is meeting with flack over getting permits to rebuild, meanwhile the Mosque gets the immediate green light? Why?
Hell if I know. Are you alleging some sort of swarthy conspiracy?
 
Do you lefties even consider the victims of the families of the people murdered on 9/11? It would be like a kick in the gut to build a mosque at or near thatsite...........

I thought you were thread banned.
 
Uh huh...Tell that to those in CA concerning that Cross that had to be taken down. Tell that to the parishioners of St Nicholas church NYC.


j-mac

Sources? Without knowing details, it's impossible to comment on.
 
They don't.

the people with whom mr rauf is attempting to strengthen ties don't matter, huh?

interesting...

There's only one way to find out.

go for it, build the mosque in open defiance of the sentiments of those to whom you wish to reach out

"find out" what will happen, by all means
 
Relevance?
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Um because they already owned this property, already had a church on this property, and only want to rebuild the church that was destroyed by the 9-11 attacks, seems kind of assbackwards that the people supporting this Mosque had to buy the property, didn't have a Mosque there prior to 9-11, and were allowed to build the Mosque and yet the Greeks are being denied the right to rebuild their Church. If this was about property rights and religious freedom rather than PC bull**** where the left now laughably claims a rightous belief in the unshakable sanctity of property rights, then where's the outcry over the plight of the Greek Orthodox Church?
 
the people with whom mr rauf is attempting to strengthen ties don't matter, huh?

interesting...



go for it, build the mosque in open defiance of the sentiments of those to whom you wish to reach out

"find out" what will happen, by all means

Likelihood of what will happen.

1. The mosque is built and after all the hubbub dies down, no one really cares.
or
2. The people who built the mosque **** all over the local community.

I know where the probability stands, do you?
 
Do you lefties even consider the victims of the families of the people murdered on 9/11? It would be like a kick in the gut to build a mosque at or near thatsite...........

Perhaps we should see what the families of the victims actually have to say rather than letting you speak for them. Actually, now that I think about it, some people on the right don't really think that highly of families of the victims, unless their opinions align with theirs:





See, I can play the partisan game too!
 
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the relevance is that there is a Greek Orthodox Church that has been established in this area for decades, was damaged by 9/11, and is meeting with flack over getting permits to rebuild, meanwhile the Mosque gets the immediate green light? Why?


j-mac

St. Nicholas Greek Orthodox Church - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

That's all I've found about this church so far. I'm not sure what you're referring to when you say that it's being prevented from building.
 
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Um because they already owned this property, already had a church on this property, and only want to rebuild the church that was destroyed by the 9-11 attacks, seems kind of assbackwards that the people supporting this Mosque had to buy the property, didn't have a Mosque there prior to 9-11, and were allowed to build the Mosque and yet the Greeks are being denied the right to rebuild their Church. If this was about property rights and religious freedom rather than PC bull**** where the left now laughably claims a rightous belief in the unshakable sanctity of property rights, then where's the outcry over the plight of the Greek Orthodox Church?
So yeah, it's a totally different circumstance and thus irrelevant. But nice try with the red herring. :sarcasticclap
 
Not sure what you're referring to.

The Greek Orthodox Church of St. Nicholas that was destroyed in the 9-11 attacks, the Greeks are not being allowed to rebuild their church on property they already owned and that had already had a church on it. Look I support the right of these people to build their Mosque, likewise I support protesting the hell out of it, but if those on the left now claiming their undying belief in the sanctity of property rights and religious tolerance weren't just using them as a cover for their multiculturalist east = good, west = bad, bull****, then where the hell were their cries of indignation for the Greek Christians? I guess that didn't rank on their outrage meter's because they weren't the right religion and not a dark enough shade of brown.
 
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Um because they already owned this property, already had a church on this property, and only want to rebuild the church that was destroyed by the 9-11 attacks, seems kind of assbackwards that the people supporting this Mosque had to buy the property, didn't have a Mosque there prior to 9-11, and were allowed to build the Mosque and yet the Greeks are being denied the right to rebuild their Church.

The church sold its property more than two years ago.
 
of course, relations will worsen
So New Yorkers will end up hating Muslims worse and eventually want to do bad things to them. That pretty much accomplishes what you're after in the first place. If I were you, I'd definitely want the mosque built just to get everyone all good n' pissed off.
 
So yeah, it's a totally different circumstance and thus irrelevant. But nice try with the red herring. :sarcasticclap

How in the hell is it a totally different circumstance? If anything they have a far better case to build their church than do the Muslims for their Mosque, they already owned the property and they already had a church there that was destroyed by the 9-11 attacks.
 
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Tell that to the parishioners of St Nicholas church NYC.

St. Nicholas Church is not looking to be rebuilt at the same location on which it stood before. It is looking to be built on a larger piece of land currently owned by the Port Authority. There is a dispute over terms involved in a possible land swap, including the possibility of a government subsidy.

From The New York Times:

The fate of the church, a narrow whitewashed building that was crushed in the attack on the World Trade Center, was supposed to have been settled eight months ago, with a tentative agreement in which the church would swap its land for a grander church building on a larger parcel nearby, with a $20 million subsidy from the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey. This would have allowed work to begin at the south end of the site.

But the two sides never came to final terms. After months of negotiations, the Port Authority, which is overseeing reconstruction at ground zero, ended its talks with the church on Monday, saying that the church had sought increasingly costly concessions.


In short, financial considerations--namely the asking price of government subsidies--were a stumbling block, not religious intolerance. The article also notes that the Church is free to build on its original parcel.
 
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Funding them? Hell they just attacked them.....




j-mac


I know, its very complicated, but this is no place to explain it.
Search up Operation Sledgehammer and Ergenekon on Google and you'll understand what i mean.
The countries entire structure was built to usurp Islamists like Erdogan, unfortunately, and im ashamed to say it, Democracy has embattled this systems effectiveness a bit.
 
The Greek Orthodox Church of St. Nicholas that was destroyed in the 9-11 attacks, the Greeks are not being allowed to rebuild their church on property they already owned and that had already had a church on it. Look I support the right of these people to build their Mosque, likewise I support protesting the hell out of it, but if those on the left now claiming their undying belief in the sanctity of property rights and religious tolerance weren't just using them as a cover for their multiculturalist east = good, west = bad, bull****, then where the hell were their cries of indignation for the Greek Christians? I guess that didn't rank on their outrage meter's because they weren't the right religion and not a dark enough shade of brown.


Damned straight....I can't believe that those in here arguing like I am some kind of ignoramus because I don't support this poke in the eye from Rauf and Bloomberg, now come back and ask me what I am talking about mentioning St Nick's? Amazing!


j-mac
 
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