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The fact of the matter is that the view held in all 5 sects of mainstream Islam is that the penalty for apostasy, adultery, homosexuality, and/or premarital sex is death and/or lashing.
Actually locking away undesirables is a tactic of the left from Roosevelt to Stalin.
Hitler was very far to right.
the Empire had its own system, and you got my point,albeit by chance, Altough the empire jad its own syytem, There were rights for non-muslims such as owning christian courts or schools etc.,and there were no daily insults against non-muslims as in today's america;
on the other hand, they had some privileges ,for example, non-muslims had no obligation for military service...
i repeat The ottoman empire had its own system and lived for 600 years, which shows us the empire had more tolerance for non-muslims than today's America.
don't be so dramatic, the empire ,as you wrote,changed its some rules later, after all, we are talking about an empire 100 years ago ...Muslims in USA have to obey the rules of USA, if they want to live in USA, right?
New York Post
Aug 13, 2010
President Obama comes out in support of Ground Zero mosque - NYPOST.com
As of today 61% of New Yorkers many of them democrats, are aginst the ground zero mosque. Obama comes out in support. Not a very smart move on his part.
Disputed.
National Socialism had elements of leftism.
Have you ever read the Old Testament? Jews and Christians are no different then, according to your opinion.
Most progressives of any religion realize that those specific "eye for an eye" principals are archaic and were only applicable to the time they were written in. And this includes progressive Muslims.
Hitler was very far to right.
I knew someone was going to say that. Its hard to define "right" and "left" because here in the U.S. are two parties have spliced the two. The "right" is actually liberal when it comes to economics but socially conservative. The "left" is socially liberally but economically conservative. Hitler was a true conservative in the pre-industrial European sense of the word, which meant social control and a state owned economy.
No, because the KKK isn't a religion.
One of the goals of Christianity (for example) is to "convert" the entire world to their religion. So should we be suspicious of all Christians? Will they eventually wipe out all the non-believers so Jesus will finally come back to earth? I'm not worried. Nor am I worried that all Muslims will rise up and kill us all. There are both good and terrible people in all religions. I am not one to let the extremists speak for the rest of their religion.
Religious beliefs are shoved into politics all the time... but if you truly believe that America will EVER condone the death penalty for adultery, lashing someone for having sex out of wedlock, or cutting someone's hands off for stealing... as The Prof feels he needs to shove into this discussion... you should take a drug test.:roll:
There are no mainstream progressive sects within Islam, it doesn't exist, those who don't support that Ijma are in the extreme minority and are considered heretical. The closest thing you can find to a mainstream progressive Islamic sect are the Sufi's but all of the other sects consider them heretics.
I certainly look at anyone who professes their belief in an invisible man in the sky with a bit of suspicion.
the fact of the matter is historically and presently Islam has been responsible for more bloodshed than Judaism and Christianity combined.
So since the ever growing amount of progressive Islamist both in the Middle East and the Western world haven't formed an organized sect
that is not considered heretical by the old establishments, you believe they should be discriminated against in the U.S.? What is your actual point?
I'd like to hear how the Native Americans feel about that statement.
let's all hope we idiots, as a nation, can survive all this too-smart-for-its-own-good leadership
Oh no. Another atheist "elitist" that thinks he's smarter than anyone who believes in something that cannot be seen.
"A common sense interpretation of the facts suggests that a superintellect has monkeyed with physics, as well as with chemistry and biology, and that there are no blind forces worth speaking about in nature. The numbers one calculates from the facts seem to me so overwhelming as to put this conclusion almost beyond question." Fred Hoyle, Astrophysicist
I believe Muslims should have equal protection under the law but that the 1st amendment right to speak the truth about the oppressive nature of their ideology should likewise be respected. In this country the only defense against the freedom of speech is more freedom of speech.
No one is stopping people from complaining about the mosque and no one is going to stop the mosque from being built. You already have what you want. You should be a very happy person
lol he was a proponent of intelligent design and rejected the big bang theory. Ya there's a guy I want to take science lessons from. :roll:
Well good luck getting the union workers on site, good luck getting the building materials out of the docks, good luck passing inspections.
President Barack Obama on Saturday sought to defuse the controversy over his remarks on plans to build a mosque near Ground Zero, insisting that he wasn’t endorsing the specific project but making a general plea for religious tolerance toward all.
"In this country we treat everybody equally and in accordance with the law, regardless of race, regardless of religion,” Obama told reporters Saturday when asked about his remarks at a White House dinner marking the start of Ramadan.
“I was not commenting and I will not comment on the wisdom of making the decision to put a mosque there,” Obama continued. “I was commenting very specifically on the right people have that dates back to our founding. That's what our country is about. And I think it's very important as difficult as some of these issues are that we stay focused on who we are as a people and what our values are all about."
Ever thing you've said up until this statement was sound and intelligent. Don't you know the American value system by now? $ > ethics.
Workers don't get another penny the faster the project goes, in fact it would be better for them to drag it out as long as possible. Sick days.