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President Obama comes out in support of Ground Zero mosque

Objective Voice said:
What surprises me is the comments of those who say they are Conservatives. Your very idealogy means you support this measure.

If you say you support the Constitution, then you support the right of the owner of this Mosque to practise his religious faith in this country.

If you say the U.S. is a nation of laws, then you support the legal right for this Mosque to be built exactly in the location where it was originally planned as long as the proper building permits were applied for, purchased and zoning codes are followed.

If you say you support the basic rights of Americans under the Bill of Rights, then you have no choice but to support the right for this Mosque to be built.



The President of the United States of America is affirming that we are a nation that does not ignores the basic rights of its citizens and will uphold the rule of law no matter how painful it may be at times.
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They have right to. I don't think anyone is arguing that point.
However if RAUF is about building bridges as he says, then he should listen to the majority of Americans who are against it. They don't want it there, yet are going to be forced to tolerate it. This bridge fails before it's built.
 
Barbbtx said:
They have right to. I don't think anyone is arguing that point.
However if RAUF is about building bridges as he says, then he should listen to the majority of Americans who are against it. They don't want it there, yet are going to be forced to tolerate it. This bridge fails before it's built.
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People keep forgetting to add "in my opinion".
 
BDBoop said:
People keep forgetting to add "in my opinion".
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Why should we have to.....

Oh yeah, for those folks who always like to say..

"Got a link for that? har har har har"
 
TacticalEvilDan said:
Great examples include the treatment received by Irish, Itallian, and many other immigrants to this country.
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Completely wrong, against American values since it violates the basic principles of the constitution and doesn't make it right.

That doesn't mean it preaches against xenophobia or preaches its opposite, that means it documents our rights. The Constitution doesn't actually say anything about acceptance.
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It implies it through equality, that should be enough.
 
I think this is not a good idea, in the exact same sense that a Branch Davidian temple being built next door to the old Murrah building in OK would be a bad idea.
 
TacticalEvilDan said:
Why should they have to denounce acts that they :
  • Do not approve of
  • Have not spoken in support of
  • Believe no reasonable person would approve of
  • Have no involvement in
  • Have provided no material support for
. . . just to make the rest of us happy?

Why do we not simply assume that they disapprove of it, unless their words or actions explicitly contradict this assumption?
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Not trying to derail the thread, just couldn't help but notice something.
This is a list that should have been presented to the NAACP by the Tea Party a while back.
Did Tactidevil feel the same way when the NAACP demanded the Tea Party condemn all racism in their ranks, even though the Tea Party is not even an organized party. From the few posts I've read, I doubt it.
 
SgtRock said:
As of today 61% of New Yorkers many of them democrats, are aginst the ground zero mosque. Obama comes out in support. Not a very smart move on his part.
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So Obama should only do what people want even if it's the wrong choice?

So Obama should do what Clinton did? Flow with the polls?

Obama "has abandoned America at the place where America's heart was broken nine years ago, and where her true values were on display for all to see," the group said.
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That's hilarious. Apparently following the Constitution isn't what America's values are to these people.
 
What's interesting to me is that Southern Conservatives feel this mosque shouldn't be built out of respect for the victims of 9/11 but feel that Confederate flags shouldn't have been removed from State buildings out of respect for African-Americans? Oh let me guess, the Civil War was fought over "states rights", and had nothing to do with slavery, right? That's like saying the Prop 8 battle in CA is only about constitutional rights and has nothing to do with homosexual marriage.
 
The Prof said:
are "these people" the "these people" you refer?

if so, apparently not
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Apparetly you missed the quote:

"Obama "has abandoned America at the place where America's heart was broken nine years ago, and where her true values were on display for all to see," the group said. "

Learn to read better. Kthxbye.
 
This guy proves more and more every day that he does not care about this country and is at worse a radical Islam sympathizer and at best and Arab lover..............There is no defense for this clown...................
 
kaya'08 said:
Completely wrong, against American values since it violates the basic principles of the constitution and doesn't make it right.
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I really hate to tell you this, but the Constitution is only a small part of what constitute American values.

kaya'08 said:
It implies it through equality, that should be enough.
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It should be, but it often hasn't been.
 
Barbbtx said:
Not trying to derail the thread, just couldn't help but notice something.
This is a list that should have been presented to the NAACP by the Tea Party a while back.
Did Tactidevil feel the same way when the NAACP demanded the Tea Party condemn all racism in their ranks, even though the Tea Party is not even an organized party. From the few posts I've read, I doubt it.
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I don't think I've said anything on the subject, but at any rate, yeah, I did feel the same way.

The problem is that the Tea Party is so full of LOL it's hard for me to take any discussion of them seriously. :lol:
 
Navy Pride said:
This guy proves more and more every day that he does not care about this country and is at worse a radical Islam sympathizer and at best and Arab lover..............There is no defense for this clown...................
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I can't help but notice that the word "nigger" could stand in place of "Arab" so easily in your sentiment.
 
Navy Pride said:
This guy proves more and more every day that he does not care about this country and is at worse a radical Islam sympathizer and at best and Arab lover..............There is no defense for this clown...................
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You're right. I guess he should just throw out America's constitutional values of freedom of religion, and while he's at it, condemn all of the 1 billion Muslims in the world who aren't violent or extremist and deem there religion to be nothing but a cult. I swear, if it weren't for Liberals, all Muslims in this country would probably be in concentration camps.
 
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Navy Pride said:
This guy proves more and more every day that he does not care about this country and is at worse a radical Islam sympathizer and at best and Arab lover..............There is no defense for this clown...................
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There's just no objectivity when it comes to President Obama, is there? "I'm a Conservative. I hate Obama. He's a Muslim sympathizer." Reeeeeeedickalas.

Anyone who has a problem with this statement
"Let me be clear: as a citizen, and as president, I believe that Muslims have the same right to practice their religion as anyone else in this country. That includes the right to build a place of worship and a community center on private property in lower Manhattan, in accordance with local laws and ordinances," Obama said in his first comments on the controversy.
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is a fool. No wonder the Republican party is in a shambles. We really ARE The Party of No. Or at least here on DP that's who we've become.
 
MaggieD said:
No wonder the Republican party is in a shambles. We really ARE The Party of No. Or at least here on DP that's who we've become.
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I agree. I like a lot of Republican policies. I just don't like a lot of Republicans.
 
on the building of the mosque, 68% of americans are idiots, a plurality over the enlightend of THIRTY NINE %

CNN Poll: 68% of American Voters Oppose Ground Zero Mosque

on birthright citizenship the knuckle draggers outnumber the angels, 58 to 24, a disadvantage of THIRTY FOUR points

Most Oppose Citizenship for Children of Illegal Immigrants - Rasmussen Reports™

on REPEALING obamacare, 55% need to be tested for crack, a margin of SIXTEEN more than the drug free

Health Care Law - Rasmussen Reports™

in the show me state, the individual mandate went down hard last tuesday---71% of missourians opened themselves to ridicule vs only 29% who get it, a FORTY TWO % gap

Prop C passes overwhelmingly

on immigration, 59% of your neighbors (including, once again, exactly half of all dems) probably shouldn't be allowed to drive, a plurality of TWENTY SEVEN % over those who should be given a nice fat mortgage modification

Arizona Immigration Law Has Broad Support Across U.S., New Polls Show | The Rundown News Blog | PBS NewsHour | PBS

indeed, on the border obama's personal approvals are 25 to 54, a difference of TWENTY NINE

i could go on

upshot---you're gonna need an awful lot of pee cups

this appears to me a very perilous politics the president and his supporters are pursuing, one sure to lead to ruin

i've never seen numbers like this (and i've seen it all)

no one has cuz they've never happened (here)

let's all hope we idiots, as a nation, can survive all this too-smart-for-its-own-good leadership
 
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Johnny DooWop said:
You're right. I guess he should just throw out America's constitutional values of freedom of religion, and while he's at it, condemn all of the 1 billion Muslims in the world who aren't violent or extremist and deem there religion to be nothing but a cult.
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Yes they have freedom of religion and equal protection under the law, but we have freedom of speech which can be used to counter their oppressive ideology with the truth about that oppressive ideology. The fact of the matter is that the view held in all 5 sects of mainstream Islam is that the penalty for apostasy, adultery, homosexuality, and/or premarital sex is death and/or lashing. Now you claim to be a liberal, but yet you are not only defending the right to preach such a belief structure but you are defending the belief structure itself, and that's what makes you a member of the left and decidedly opposed to liberal values. You see I can support the 1st amendment rights of the Nazi Party without defending the Nazi Party itself, but the left seems unable to make the distinction when it comes to Islam.

I swear, if it weren't for Liberals, all Muslims in this country would probably be in concentration camps.
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Actually locking away undesirables is a tactic of the left from Roosevelt to Stalin.
 
TacticalEvilDan said:
I really hate to tell you this, but the Constitution is only a small part of what constitute American values.
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I realize this, but it can't conflict with the other values now, can it? That's just confusing. :2razz:


It should be, but it often hasn't been.
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As a result of stupid government.
 
Johnny DooWop said:
You're right. I guess he should just throw out America's constitutional values of freedom of religion, and while he's at it, condemn all of the 1 billion Muslims in the world who aren't violent or extremist and deem there religion to be nothing but a cult. I swear, if it weren't for Liberals, all Muslims in this country would probably be in concentration camps.
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Damn libruls.
 
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