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    Re: President Obama comes out in support of Ground Zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    I don't think Obama has a problem of others pulling him 'out of context' as it were, I think he has a problem because he is a rank amateur, and sympathizes with those that want to destroy America as it currently exists.


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    If that were true, wouldn't he be making frequent donations to some Tea Party or FOXNews, perhaps?

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    Re: President Obama comes out in support of Ground Zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    If that were true, wouldn't he be making frequent donations to some Tea Party or FOXNews, perhaps?

    Cute.....Not.


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    Re: President Obama comes out in support of Ground Zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by Kernel Sanders View Post
    Every part of the media misconstrued his original remarks - not just the anti-Obama crowd. When I first saw the headlines I facepalmed, wondering why Obama would take sides as to whether or not the mosque should be built. None of his comments supported those headlines, though. The right harped on it more, but even the left wing media's stories claimed that he was in favor of the mosque.
    I hear ya. But as I said earlier, the folks who actually listened to what Obama said, rather than what rightwing spin-doctors are saying, know better. And those who heard what he said and still prefer the spin-doctor FOX version, well, I will stop short of calling them "not smart." I don't want to offend anyone.

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    Re: President Obama comes out in support of Ground Zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    I hear ya. But as I said earlier, the folks who actually listened to what Obama said, rather than what rightwing spin-doctors are saying, know better. And those who heard what he said and still prefer the spin-doctor FOX version, well, I will stop short of calling them "not smart." I don't want to offend anyone.

    Obama, your hero, speaks as he always does, as if the American people are stupid, down his nose. Polls out before his incredibly dumb comments showed that people knew this question quite well by showing that 61% believed that they had the right to build, but that 64% thought they shouldn't.

    So I agree with Erod, keep showing your contempt for America and see what that gets you Cap. My guess is we won't see you again until January, and that will be bitching about something the repubs do.....

    Now I'll stop short of calling that stupid, wouldn't want to offend.


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    Re: President Obama comes out in support of Ground Zero mosque

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    Re: President Obama comes out in support of Ground Zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    My point is that Rockwell at times can say some things in which I agree with, and at other times badly misses the mark. Much like most libertarians.


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    It misses the mark with you because people like Rockwell dont pick and chose what parts of the Constitution to follow unlike alot you people.
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    Re: President Obama comes out in support of Ground Zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Lyndon La Rouche is a moderate isn't he? As well as Chomsky?
    I didn't say there weren't moderates. I was saying y'all have your fair share of crazies. And some of your crazies are out of their ever loving minds. Of course you have moderates, in fact the calm and rational make up the vast majority of the group. But every group has crazies.


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    Propaganda? In what way? As to the words "Under God":
    It was inserted in order to differentiate us from the "godless" commies. Though they had their own god; it was called "The State". And not the cool sketch comedy group.


    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Do you deny that fights to make it so have gone on?
    Sure, some people will get pissy because that's what people do. But there's nothing they can do about it; so I don't see it as a problem. You can't force people to not say "Merry Christmas". So I don't worry about it. Much like this mosque. Nothing I can do to stop it. Any bitching and carrying on will only help their side. So fudge it, they can build their mosque and I will ignore it and them.


    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    So you say.


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    Re: President Obama comes out in support of Ground Zero mosque

    I think everyone here is forgetting to realize that no matter whom the president was they would have done the same thing as Obama did, just maybe not in such a muddy way.
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    Re: President Obama comes out in support of Ground Zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I didn't say there weren't moderates. I was saying y'all have your fair share of crazies. And some of your crazies are out of their ever loving minds. Of course you have moderates, in fact the calm and rational make up the vast majority of the group. But every group has crazies.




    It was inserted in order to differentiate us from the "godless" commies. Though they had their own god; it was called "The State". And not the cool sketch comedy group.




    Sure, some people will get pissy because that's what people do. But there's nothing they can do about it; so I don't see it as a problem. You can't force people to not say "Merry Christmas". So I don't worry about it. Much like this mosque. Nothing I can do to stop it. Any bitching and carrying on will only help their side. So fudge it, they can build their mosque and I will ignore it and them.




    If ever we find ourselves in the state where my statement is not true ("It's a free country"); we'll have far worse things to worry about than a mosque.

    Well, I don't have much to disagree with you on here, but I still think they should not build it there, and will continue to speak out as such.


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    Re: President Obama comes out in support of Ground Zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by iclimb1998 View Post
    The problem is that religion can't coexist with growth as a species and rational thinking. ANY religion.
    Fair point, human development has been rather stagnant for the past 3000 years.

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    I think the thread title is a bit off-mark and perhaps somewhat deceiving. What I heard on TV was Obama coming out in support of the constitution and the law of the land. Of course, the president-haters seized the oppertunity to spin and and put his words out-of-context, but what else is new? Ha! Even when Obama came back on the TV the next day to clarify and dispel their faux-fantasies, they spin it to suit their agenda. Honestly, it's becoming so predictable it is starting to get rather boring, but I digress.

    But I think the smarter people "get it." So, no harm, no foul.
    I'm sure that there are those who will disagree, but my impression (and that of various media observers) is that Obama's original speech was intended to convey the impression that he was "in support" of the placement of the mosque while not necessarily nailing him into that position. He initially won fierce applause from some circles for what was seen as a bold and courageous defense, but after there was a fairly large backlash, he retreated the following day, saying that he had merely been defending the constitutional right to build there.

    Since there was almost no one actually arguing that they didn't have that constitutional right to build, it strikes me as implausible that Obama would have jumped into a hot button local issue in order to simply repeat what everyone else was already saying. It seems far more likely that (like any good politician), he kept his options open and retained plausible deniability.
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