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    Re: President Obama comes out in support of Ground Zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    Could you please provide a direct quote in which the Imam said America should use Sharia law. I'd love to see it.

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    When I asked, this is what I got:

    But it is important that we understand what is meant by Shariah law. Islamic law is about God's law, and it is not that far from what we read in the Declaration of Independence about "the Laws of Nature and Nature's God." The Declaration says "men are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable Rights; that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."

    At the core of Shariah law are God's commandments, revealed in the Old Testament and revised in the New Testament and the Quran. The principles behind American secular law are similar to Shariah law - that we protect life, liberty and property, that we provide for the common welfare, that we maintain a certain amount of modesty. What Muslims want is to ensure that their secular laws are not in conflict with the Quran or the Hadith, the sayings of Muhammad.

    Where there is a conflict, it is not with Shariah law itself but more often with the way the penal code is sometimes applied. Some aspects of this penal code and its laws pertaining to women flow out of the cultural context. The religious imperative is about justice and fairness. If you strive for justice and fairness in the penal code, then you are in keeping with moral imperative of the Shariah.

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    There is no call here to change American law.

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    Re: President Obama comes out in support of Ground Zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    No, he has not proposed that. he's having a dicussion concerning how we vote on laws. How we support or object to laws. Like the christian who objects to homosexual rights because he believes homosexuality is a sin, so to does the Muslim. Again, like the AF, you misread him.

    But it was you who threw out tat strawman argument and not me. If you don't want to be called on it, don't throw such silliness out there.

    Ah BS! I didn't throw out any straw argument, I put forth what the guy has said in his own words, and according to liberals like you though we aren't supposed to believe that, we are supposed to go on the narrative you set up.....Nope, sorry, not going to do that.


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    Re: President Obama comes out in support of Ground Zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    When I asked, this is what I got:

    But it is important that we understand what is meant by Shariah law. Islamic law is about God's law, and it is not that far from what we read in the Declaration of Independence about "the Laws of Nature and Nature's God." The Declaration says "men are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable Rights; that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."

    At the core of Shariah law are God's commandments, revealed in the Old Testament and revised in the New Testament and the Quran. The principles behind American secular law are similar to Shariah law - that we protect life, liberty and property, that we provide for the common welfare, that we maintain a certain amount of modesty. What Muslims want is to ensure that their secular laws are not in conflict with the Quran or the Hadith, the sayings of Muhammad.

    Where there is a conflict, it is not with Shariah law itself but more often with the way the penal code is sometimes applied. Some aspects of this penal code and its laws pertaining to women flow out of the cultural context. The religious imperative is about justice and fairness. If you strive for justice and fairness in the penal code, then you are in keeping with moral imperative of the Shariah.

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    There is no call here to change American law.

    You have got to be kidding here!!!!! No difference?

    According to the Sharia, despite declarations of the equality of the sexes before God, women are considered inferior to men, and have fewer rights and responsibilities. A woman counts as half a man in giving evidence in a court of law, or in matters of inheritance. Her position is less advantageous than a manís with regard to marriage and divorce. A husband has the moral and religious right and duty to beat his wives for disobedience or for perceived misconduct. A woman does not have the right to choose her husband, or her place of residence, to travel freely or have freedom in her choice of clothing. Women have little or no autonomy and are deemed to need the protection of their fathers, husbands or other male relatives throughout their lives. Any conduct that undermines the idea of male supremacy will fall foul of the Sharia.

    Women's Rights and the Sharia
    And that is just a start!


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    Re: President Obama comes out in support of Ground Zero mosque

    I would post this one for you, but I know you won't get passed the website:


    American Thinker: Top ten reasons why sharia is bad for all societies


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    Re: President Obama comes out in support of Ground Zero mosque

    I would post this one for you, but I know you won't get passed the website:


    American Thinker: Top ten reasons why sharia is bad for all societies


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    Re: President Obama comes out in support of Ground Zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    I would post this one for you, but I know you won't get passed the website:


    American Thinker: Top ten reasons why sharia is bad for all societies

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    Past. Past the website. Sorry, you have the right to use the wrong word, I have the right to be irritated.

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    Re: President Obama comes out in support of Ground Zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    You have got to be kidding here!!!!! No difference?



    And that is just a start!


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    J, you're leaving the text and intent of his his article. And I remind you, Christians have been quility of abusing God's law as well. The Bible has been used to excuse abuse to women and slavery. So, leaving his text and intent to go offon yet another strawman doesn't win the argument for you. He did not call for the US to change any laws.

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    Re: President Obama comes out in support of Ground Zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by BDBoop View Post
    Past. Past the website. Sorry, you have the right to use the wrong word, I have the right to be irritated.


    OOOOPS!


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    Re: President Obama comes out in support of Ground Zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    I would post this one for you, but I know you won't get passed the website:


    American Thinker: Top ten reasons why sharia is bad for all societies


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    Now you know how I feel about the American (non)Thinker. What were you thinking?


    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: President Obama comes out in support of Ground Zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    J, you're leaving the text and intent of his his article. And I remind you, Christians have been quility of abusing God's law as well. The Bible has been used to excuse abuse to women and slavery. So, leaving his text and intent to go offon yet another strawman doesn't win the argument for you. He did not call for the US to change any laws.

    We are talking the here and now Joe, not some perceived PC grievance you liberals have from times past damnit! He DID say that laws in the US should be Shria compliant, and I don't know about you, but I don't try and shroud the man's words like you do.


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