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    Re: President Obama comes out in support of Ground Zero mosque

    Lew Rockwell makes an interesting comment about how there is still nothing there at ground zero.

    Amidst all the talk of “ground 0″ as secularly holy, and not to be defiled by an Islamic educational center four blocks away, ever notice that with government in charge, it is still just a hole in the ground all these years later? Sell the hole to the highest bidders, and let them build some productive enterprises there. Reject Palin, Gingrich, Boehner, Foxman, and other merchants of hate. We don’t need a blowback memorial.
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    Re: President Obama comes out in support of Ground Zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    so how did Ancient Egypt, one of the most religious societies in history manage to exist for as long as it did, and be as powerful as it was?
    It was powerful at its height, but it was, also, tyrannical. You consider ancient Egypt to be an evolved civilization?

    It is a terrific unifying factor, look at the Crusades,
    Yes look at the Crusades, you had Western Christians killing Byzantine Christines, Muslims and Christians fighting a huge war, Christians persecuting Jews etc. Ya religion was really unifying.

    you had people from european countries that had been warring for centuries put aside their differences for a common cause,

    You use a religious war to say that religion is a unifying factor.

    certainly it's not a universal unifying factor, but name one thing that is.
    Secular democracy, secular democracies do not go to war with one another IE Democratic Peace Theory. Capitalism is another unifying factor IE the Golden Arches Peace Theory of Conflict Resolution.

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    Re: President Obama comes out in support of Ground Zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    That's a pretty bold statement considering some of the folks on your side (e.g., communists).
    Communists had their own religion IE Communism with Marx as their prophet.

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    Re: President Obama comes out in support of Ground Zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    It was powerful at its height, but it was, also, tyrannical. You consider ancient Egypt to be an evolved civilization?
    for it's time, it was.


    Yes look at the Crusades, you had Western Christians killing Byzantine Christines, Muslims and Christians fighting a huge war, Christians persecuting Jews etc. Ya religion was really unifying.
    You use a religious war to say that religion is a unifying factor.
    exactly, it unified the western christians.

    Secular democracy, secular democracies do not go to war with one another IE Democratic Peace Theory. Capitalism is another unifying factor IE the Golden Arches Peace Theory of Conflict Resolution.
    excellent, now show me a secular democracy that has lasted longer than a religious monarchy.

    and i hadn't heard the golden arches peace theory, so i looked it up on wikipedia, and found this.
    In The Lexus and the Olive Tree, Thomas L. Friedman coins the "Golden Arches Theory of Conflict Prevention" - that no two countries that both have a McDonald's franchise would be likely to fight a war. The 2008 South Ossetia war, however, is a counterexample.
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    Re: President Obama comes out in support of Ground Zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by chevydriver1123 View Post
    Lew Rockwell makes an interesting comment about how there is still nothing there at ground zero.



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    Re: President Obama comes out in support of Ground Zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by chevydriver1123 View Post
    Lew Rockwell makes an interesting comment about how there is still nothing there at ground zero.



    Government Hole LewRockwell.com Blog

    Well I am sure Rockwell would be ok with it if that took place and Saudi Wahabiist were the highest bidders....


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    Re: President Obama comes out in support of Ground Zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    for it's time, it was.
    And they're still not secular and how evolved would consider them today?

    exactly, it unified the western christians.
    Into a war with another religion. The war not the religion was the unifying factor and the war was caused by religious division.

    excellent, now show me a secular democracy that has lasted longer than a religious monarchy.
    Though not strictly secular in the modern sense the Roman Republic lasted longer than the Roman Kingdom.

    and i hadn't heard the golden arches peace theory, so i looked it up on wikipedia, and found this.
    One counterexample, the exception the rule.

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    Re: President Obama comes out in support of Ground Zero mosque

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    You're kidding right?


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    Re: President Obama comes out in support of Ground Zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    That is the very link I provided.



    He supports sharia his only opposition is on the strict penal codes which means that he supports criminalizing homosexuality, apostasy, etc and supports sexist inheritence policies, and everything else sharia entails. He wants a sharia compliant U.S. or in his words: "ensure that their secular laws are not in conflict with the Quran or the Hadith."


    He said that the U.S. was an accessory to the 9-11 attacks.



    He said that the U.S. is an accessory to 9-11 IE he blamed the U.S. for 9-11.



    He blamed the U.S. for 9-11. He said that U.S. actions made us an accessory to the crime. This is a definitive clear cut case of blaming the victim.



    He has said or refused to say everything I claimed, and supports everything I claimed he supported.
    Yes, I know it is the link you provided. But you seem to misread his comments very badly.

    Did you happen to catch the Daily Show last night?

    Jon Stewart - Daily Show | Ground Zero Mosque | Glenn Beck | Mediaite

    Seemsbeck says the same thing. he must be a radical muslm, right?

    For everything you quote, you totally misread, misstate, and misunderstand. In other words, you have it all completely wrong.
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