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    Re: President Obama comes out in support of Ground Zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by independent_thinker2002 View Post
    How come no one protests the Pentagon for having a mosque?


    Because the mosque was there before 9/11.
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    Re: President Obama comes out in support of Ground Zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    OK, are you sure you read this:

    Home Page | Cordoba
    That is the very link I provided.

    If so, I don't think you quite understood it. It is not what you claim and not particular radical at all.
    He supports sharia his only opposition is on the strict penal codes which means that he supports criminalizing homosexuality, apostasy, etc and supports sexist inheritence policies, and everything else sharia entails. He wants a sharia compliant U.S. or in his words: "ensure that their secular laws are not in conflict with the Quran or the Hadith."

    Nor is either of the other two claims what you say either. He denounces the terrrorist attacks clearly,
    He said that the U.S. was an accessory to the 9-11 attacks.

    but much like MLK, who called the US the greatest preyor of violence in the world today, he acknowledges that we have made errors.
    He said that the U.S. is an accessory to 9-11 IE he blamed the U.S. for 9-11.

    Only someone radical concerning the US would not admit to that. No one says that excuses 9/11 or terrorist attacks, and they shouldn't, but honesty requires acknowledgement of our own sins as well.
    He blamed the U.S. for 9-11. He said that U.S. actions made us an accessory to the crime. This is a definitive clear cut case of blaming the victim.

    Frankly, this iman seems far less radical than what you're arguing.
    He has said or refused to say everything I claimed, and supports everything I claimed he supported.
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    Re: President Obama comes out in support of Ground Zero mosque

    This might be the biggest non-issue on this board..... It is an Islamic cultural center, which includes a Mosque and its more then two blocks away. 1) its not on ground zero and 2) so what if it is? People that get their panties in a bunch over this issue need to get a grip.... on real issues.

    It is just disgusting to me how intolerant we Americans have become. I thought we were better than this.....
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    Re: President Obama comes out in support of Ground Zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    This might be the biggest non-issue on this board..... It is an Islamic cultural center, which includes a Mosque
    lol you can call it whatever you want but it's a large building holding daily prayer services for Muslims only, it's a Mosque.

    and its more then two blocks away. 1) its not on ground zero
    Ground zero includes the surrounding area not just the actual site of the WTC's.

    It is just disgusting to me how intolerant we Americans have become. I thought we were better than this.....
    Tolerance of the intolerant is not a virtue.

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    Re: President Obama comes out in support of Ground Zero mosque

    I wonder why Christians don't get the same priority as the Muslims do in their request to build a church, this is my problem. No Christian church...no Mosque why the preferential treatment for Rauf to build his Mosque but yet NYC stonewalls the Orthodox Christian Church the permit to rebuild their church. Somethings up and it stinks...
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    St. Nicholas Greek Orthodox Church, which once sat right across the street from the World Trade Center, was crushed under the weight of the collapse of Tower Two on September 11, 2001. St. Nicholas was the only church to be lost in the attacks, and nine years later, while City of New York officials are busy removing every impediment to the building of the Cordoba mosque two blocks from the site, St. Nicholas’ future remains unclear.

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    Ground Zero Islamic Mosque Moves Forward, Christian Church in Limbo - HUMAN EVENTS

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    Re: President Obama comes out in support of Ground Zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by German guy View Post
    As I see it, there are 68% of Americans who can't make a difference between terrorist criminal monsters and the religion of Islam. There is no point in debating that: Either you think the entire religion has to be held responsible for 9/11, or you have no problem with a mosque there. There is no grey area.
    I just don't understand how you can possibly think this is so black and white.

    I think they have an absolute right to build their mosque there. I'm not offended by their decision. I even think it's somewhat irrational to be particularly upset by this. However, a blind, deaf and dumb 8 year old could have predicted that there would have been a fair number of people who would be upset by this, regardless of whether it would be rational for them to feel that way. I think that if all else was equal, it would be a better decision in terms of avoiding controversy for the backers of this mosque to have chosen a different location. I understand that all else is probably not equal, and that there are probably several reasons why they would choose this place over the alternatives. However, that doesn't mean that I can't think that it would be fortuitous if there happened to be another location available that served everyone's needs even better. Even if the people opposed to the location are entirely irrational, they're still people who may be less favorable toward Islam in general upon seeing this. That would be a shame, and a step in the wrong direction for improving relations. You can call that dumb, but it's a simple reality.

    And don't attack a strawman. Nowhere did I equate gassing millions of people with opposition to building a mosque.

    But the xenophobic, bigoted climate against an entire religion is definitely comparable. You could easily get the anti Muslim croud for whom "Islam = terrorism" to support a "final solution of the Muslim question", there is not the slightest doubt about it. Just read what these people write on forums like this one. Not even mentioning what you could hear on American streets in the first few months and years after 9/11.
    "Nowhere did I equate the gassing of millions of people to the opposition to this mosque. I just said that it's definitely comparable and that it's entirely plausible to believe that opposition to this mosque will lead to another holocaust."
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    Re: President Obama comes out in support of Ground Zero mosque

    As to the earlier discussion about location:

    Dear Rest-of-America: Take This Map, It's Why You're Wrong About the "Ground Zero Mosque" - New York News - Runnin' Scared



    Also:

    "Hallowed Ground" | History Eraser Button

    Photos of a few things the same distance from Ground Zero:



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    Re: President Obama comes out in support of Ground Zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    This might be the biggest non-issue on this board..... It is an Islamic cultural center, which includes a Mosque and its more then two blocks away. 1) its not on ground zero and 2) so what if it is? People that get their panties in a bunch over this issue need to get a grip.... on real issues.

    It is just disgusting to me how intolerant we Americans have become. I thought we were better than this.....
    A non-issue? Don't you realize America is under attack? Extremist radical Muslims, including our own president, are going to build this Mosque as a symbol of their Islamic victory and to purposely spite us! They are trying to take over the country! If we don't act now and stop the construction of this mosque, we and our children and our children's children we be forced to live under an Islamic government and Sharia law! We will be stoned for committing adultery and our women will have to wear those funny looking black robes! This probably the biggest issue facing this country right now! Forget the economy, forget the two wars we are in, forget that Iran is developing nucs, forget that we are on the verge of a war with North Korea and China, the biggest issue and biggest danger facing this country is this Muslim cultural center! Somebody Help us!

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    Re: President Obama comes out in support of Ground Zero mosque

    could this be coming to NYC...perhaps. I read here form a few that Americans are intolerant...are we?
    Is this America? Christian activists arrested in Dearborn just for showing up at Arab Festival - Jihad Watch

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    Re: President Obama comes out in support of Ground Zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
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    Tolerance of the intolerant is not a virtue.
    Which is exactly why I am taking those that are all worked up over this to task.... I have no tolerance for intolerant Americans (that is my intolerance)...

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