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    Re: President Obama comes out in support of Ground Zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    ny dems are showing lots of emotion these days---fear

    New York leaders' discomfort - Maggie Haberman - POLITICO.com
    Really? I'm seeing more fear from the repubs - fear is based in ignorance.

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    Re: President Obama comes out in support of Ground Zero mosque

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    Remember the two main issue that plaque the GZ Mosque:

    (1.) The GZ Imam. Imam Feisal Rauf has made insensative and pro-terrorist comments to the media in the past including in his recent book blaming America for the 9/11 attacks (due to its support of Israel). Imam Rauf has also called for the destruction of Israel (Al Jazeera, Oct 2009) if Israel "continues it policy of attacking Palestinian children." Rauf's wife Daisy has made anti-Semitic and inflammatory remarks in the past as well. With these comments, many are wondering if the GZ Mosque will be a hotbed of terrorist sympathies or draw anti-Semitic Imam's to its doors. Please note that *** all women are barred from worship with men *** at the Center, following strict Islamic Sharia Law rules.

    (2.) Money. The Cordoba Initiative has yet to release its FY2008-2009/2009-2010 tax records, or answer the question how they went from $100,000 in cash liquidity to nearly $100,000,000 in assets without disclosure. CNN's Anderson Cooper asked Friday: "Where is the money coming from?"
    Actually, neither one of those are the issue. The issue is whether or not the mosque can be built here legally. It can. Those are just attempts to smear those building it, and once again, an appeal to emotion.
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    Re: President Obama comes out in support of Ground Zero mosque

    Right, I've got a question since you're a new yorker.

    I'm trying to look at the maps here and what I see is this.

    Ground Zero is flanked by Three "major" streets it looks like. Barclay on its north, Church on its east, and West St on its West.

    It also seems like it's main Subway stop would be "World Trade Center Station".

    Now it appears that this proposed Mosque is in a building on the opposite side of the WTC on Barclay, a good 3 blocks from the next major street street (Chambers). Additionally, it appears to me that the "World Trade Center" subway would be the prime subway stop servicing it.

    Now, I'll fully admit my only real means of how to view a city is inspired by DC because its the only major metro city I've spent a fair bit of time in. However, in DC, generally the blocks surrouding a Metro Stop that's primarily serviced by said Metro stop are generally viewed as that "area". So the Dupont Circle area is generally considered the multiple blocks within walking distance to the Dupont Circle metro, with that being the closest metro stop for those areas. The China Town section of the city is actually NOT considered just "China Town" but the multiple blocks that would call the China Town metro stop their closest Metro station.

    To me, the fact its "2 blocks away" means no more than going into a small town and saying that a store front is "two buildings down" from another. In relation to the city and its size and scope and its infastructure its essentially part of the same generalized area.

    I guess the only difference would be is if Cortlandt St Station is considered more the "World Trade Center" station then well, "World Trade Center" station is. If that's the case it would possibly change my view a bit...but as it stands, to me 2 blocks in a large metro city layout still seems like "next door" to me.

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    Re: President Obama comes out in support of Ground Zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    How does StgRock stand?

    And what fringe-right clearinghouse of nonsense did you get that 61% stat?
    Still not checking resources first. Sad.

    Survey: 60% of New Yorkers oppose mosque near Ground Zero; over half say it would promote tolerance
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    Re: President Obama comes out in support of Ground Zero mosque

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    Whatever dude....You're right about one thing, at least I hope you are, and that is the the building is damned by God.


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    Which means?

    Come on, stand proud and say it. Do you hope the building gets blown up? That it collapses? What?
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    Re: President Obama comes out in support of Ground Zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by BDBoop View Post
    Really? I'm seeing more fear from the repubs - fear is based in ignorance.
    Yes. 9.11, the USS Cole, the two embassy bombings in Africa, Indonesia bombings, London boming, Spain bombing and first WTC attack didn't really happen did it?
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    Re: President Obama comes out in support of Ground Zero mosque

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    Actually, neither one of those are the issue. The issue is whether or not the mosque can be built here legally. It can. Those are just attempts to smear those building it, and once again, an appeal to emotion.

    Who made you the decider of what the issues are?


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    Re: President Obama comes out in support of Ground Zero mosque

    Progressive Democrats who bash Israel (and make no bones about it), capitalism, America, Christianity, the Boy Scouts ... are now *excrutiatingly silent* on the Ground Zero Mosque, its team of anti-Semitic Imam's and staffers, as well as its internecine links to global terrorism. Dem's seem unable to step up and support Imam Feisal, his wife or their pro-Hamas staff ... though Mr. Obama has weighed in and fully supports the Hamas-backed mosque.

    Cat gotcher tongue?

    Democrats?

    < crickets ... >

    Dem pols (to me) are no different than Repub's on this issue: They are scared to death and will not go on the record.

    Any day of the week Dem's like Rangel, (the former Chappaquidick Teddy), Kerry, Waters will wax on about Castro and "the miracle of Cuban health care" ... but remain *silent* when faced with such a religious donnybrook as this.

    Hypocrisy knows no color but a progressive who remains silent before bigotry.
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    Re: President Obama comes out in support of Ground Zero mosque

    you all, i presume, are familiar with the deep ties between new york and florida, where businessman jeff greene is currently trailing congressman kendrick meek for the party's nomination to take on bill mccollum for charlie crist's office in tallahassee

    Democrat Jeff Greene released a deeply critical statement. "President Obama has this all wrong, and I strongly oppose his support for building a mosque near ground zero, especially since Islamic terrorists have bragged and celebrated destroying the Twin Towers and killing nearly 3,000 Americans,” he said.

    Rep. Kendrick Meek, the establishment’s favorite in the Democratic primary, responded by staying noncommittal.

    "Our nation was founded on the pillar of religious freedom, and construction of the mosque should not be denied on religious grounds, but this is ultimately a decision for the local community in New York City to make," he said in a statement to POLITICO.
    Mosque flap swirls around Obama - James Hohmann and Maggie Haberman and Mike Allen - POLITICO.com

    the point---it's not just in ny, it's spreading

    surprised?

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