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    Re: President Obama comes out in support of Ground Zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    of course, relations will worsen
    So freaking what?

    Considering that NY is a diverse environment, in the big picture it won't matter.
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    Re: President Obama comes out in support of Ground Zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
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    Um because they already owned this property, already had a church on this property, and only want to rebuild the church that was destroyed by the 9-11 attacks, seems kind of assbackwards that the people supporting this Mosque had to buy the property, didn't have a Mosque there prior to 9-11, and were allowed to build the Mosque and yet the Greeks are being denied the right to rebuild their Church.
    The church sold its property more than two years ago.
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    Re: President Obama comes out in support of Ground Zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    of course, relations will worsen
    So New Yorkers will end up hating Muslims worse and eventually want to do bad things to them. That pretty much accomplishes what you're after in the first place. If I were you, I'd definitely want the mosque built just to get everyone all good n' pissed off.

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    Re: President Obama comes out in support of Ground Zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by Coronado View Post
    So yeah, it's a totally different circumstance and thus irrelevant. But nice try with the red herring.
    How in the hell is it a totally different circumstance? If anything they have a far better case to build their church than do the Muslims for their Mosque, they already owned the property and they already had a church there that was destroyed by the 9-11 attacks.
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    Re: President Obama comes out in support of Ground Zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Tell that to the parishioners of St Nicholas church NYC.
    St. Nicholas Church is not looking to be rebuilt at the same location on which it stood before. It is looking to be built on a larger piece of land currently owned by the Port Authority. There is a dispute over terms involved in a possible land swap, including the possibility of a government subsidy.

    From The New York Times:

    The fate of the church, a narrow whitewashed building that was crushed in the attack on the World Trade Center, was supposed to have been settled eight months ago, with a tentative agreement in which the church would swap its land for a grander church building on a larger parcel nearby, with a $20 million subsidy from the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey. This would have allowed work to begin at the south end of the site.

    But the two sides never came to final terms. After months of negotiations, the Port Authority, which is overseeing reconstruction at ground zero, ended its talks with the church on Monday, saying that the church had sought increasingly costly concessions.


    In short, financial considerations--namely the asking price of government subsidies--were a stumbling block, not religious intolerance. The article also notes that the Church is free to build on its original parcel.
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    Re: President Obama comes out in support of Ground Zero mosque

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    Funding them? Hell they just attacked them.....




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    Re: President Obama comes out in support of Ground Zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    The Greek Orthodox Church of St. Nicholas that was destroyed in the 9-11 attacks, the Greeks are not being allowed to rebuild their church on property they already owned and that had already had a church on it. Look I support the right of these people to build their Mosque, likewise I support protesting the hell out of it, but if those on the left now claiming their undying belief in the sanctity of property rights and religious tolerance weren't just using them as a cover for their multiculturalist east = good, west = bad, bull****, then where the hell were their cries of indignation for the Greek Christians? I guess that didn't rank on their outrage meter's because they weren't the right religion and not a dark enough shade of brown.

    Damned straight....I can't believe that those in here arguing like I am some kind of ignoramus because I don't support this poke in the eye from Rauf and Bloomberg, now come back and ask me what I am talking about mentioning St Nick's? Amazing!


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    Re: President Obama comes out in support of Ground Zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Patrick View Post
    Actually, now that I think about it, some people on the right don't really think that highly of families of the victims, unless their opinions align with theirs:
    and some people IN THE WHITE HOUSE don't think very highly of their non-concurring constituents

    Robert Gibbs says leftwing critics of Obama 'ought to be drug tested' | Richard Adams | World news | guardian.co.uk

    See, I can play the partisan game too!
    have fun!

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