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    Re: President Obama comes out in support of Ground Zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    The problem is an increasing attitude of negativety towards Muslims in general.
    and mr rauf is making it much, much worse

    you can protest it all you want, but it's their land.
    true, but it's relations with us (for purpose of argument) he says he's trying to improve

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    Re: President Obama comes out in support of Ground Zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Now he wants to show that our commitment to religious tolerance is "unshakable"
    that's certainly not how it's playing, read the times, cbs, abc, politico, wsj...

    i've pasted all the links above, of course

    "forceful" and "message muddling," are the notes i've jotted down

    he had to "pull back the pull back," referring to mr burton's SATURDAY NITE release

    abc's rick klein: burton had to ELABORATE on obama's CLARIFICATION (proffered typically impromptu, off the cuff, while vacationing on the gulf saturday afternoon)

    talk about shaky

    mr rauf, if you really want to improve relations with your neighbors as you claim, then you simply cannot leave that church where it is

    if you leave it where it is, you can never reach your stated goal, your purpose can never be fulfilled

    so simple
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    Re: President Obama comes out in support of Ground Zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    that's certainly not how it's playing, read the times, cbs, abc, politico, wsj...

    i've pasted all the links above, of course

    "forceful" and "message muddling," are the notes i've jotted down

    he had to "pull back the pull back," referring to mr burton's SATURDAY NITE release

    abc's rick klein: burton had to ELABORATE on obama's CLARIFICATION (proffered characteristically impromptu, off the cuff, while vacationing on the gulf saturday afternoon)

    talk about shaky

    mr rauf, if you really want to improve relations with your neighbors as you claim, then you simply cannot leave that church where it is

    if you leave it where it is, you can never reach your stated goal, your purpose can never be fulfilled

    so simple
    Why do you say "never"?

    It is possible that it will exist and people could see it is harmless.
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    Re: President Obama comes out in support of Ground Zero mosque

    because the people he's trying to befriend are asking him out of respect for their heartfelt sentiments to move

    if he runs roughshod over their wishes, how are they gonna come round?

    think
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    Re: President Obama comes out in support of Ground Zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    because the people he's trying to befriend are asking him out of respect for their heartfelt sentiments to move

    if he runs roughshod over their wishes, how are they gonna come round?

    think
    some people you can't reach

    you can't please everyone

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    Re: President Obama comes out in support of Ground Zero mosque

    oh, he might be able to get thru to some

    but he'd have to move his mosque first

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    Re: President Obama comes out in support of Ground Zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by theunbubba View Post
    How would any of you pro Mosque people feel about a KKK recruiting and information center in the center of Haarlem?
    You now know how I feel about this Mosque.
    If the people living in harlem wanted to allow it, then I wouldn't give a **** because it's none of my ****ing business how they run their zoning board.
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    Re: President Obama comes out in support of Ground Zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    Vandalism and protests would be a massive problem. Protests fine. Vandalism not, I hope we can agree on that.
    Ofcourse. I don't think vandalism is their worry should they build it.


    The problem is an increasing attitude of negativety towards Muslims in general.
    And why do you suppose that is? Could it be that in times of attack like 9/11 we heard stone cold silence from these supposed moderates? Or worse yet in the words of Imam Rauf, that the US was "accomplice to the events of 9/11"? PUHLEEZE!


    I'm sorry when did he lie about anything? I just haven't heard him say anything that he claimed to be right, but wasn't... or can you prove me wrong there?

    And if you're reffering to his inability to call Hammas a terrorist organization... that's not a lie. It's true that Hammas is a terrorist organization, not willing to say so is an error in judgement, not a lie.
    One of the biggest lies so far is that they are building this as an "outreach center"...
    Yeah right! Tell me why when this first came to the public's attention that it was referred to as a Mosque, obviously to shroud it in religious freedoms of the US, then as the argument heated up, all of the sudden it was a "Cultural Center" with a mosque in it.... The next one that Rauf thought that no one would pick up on was the naming of that Mosque "Cordoba House" and the significance of that name in the history of Muslim caliphate in the 700's, I have already pointed that one out. Another is the masking of funding for this Mosque, where is it coming from, and whom is behind it?

    Shall I continue?


    "Mosque of Conquest"

    You invented the term to give your argument an emotional appeal. It is not a mosque of Conquest.
    No, I am calling it what it is. The name, and other aspects make it so.

    I understand perfectly the threat of Radical Islam. I understand what is even more sinister, using that threat to scare us into giving up our rights and freedoms. I.E. Patriot Act, and all similar legislation enacted in the Western World.
    Oh spare me the US is more threat to US citizens than radical Islam crap will ya? We either take on this threat to win, or get ready to submit. It is that simple.

    Well at least we're not still claiming it's "Towering Over".
    I never heard your answer as to how much of the Twin Towers are rebuilt yet?

    What are you talking about?
    It is real simple, I read you as one that believes that we can make friends with these radicals, and if that is your presentation, then you clearly do NOT understand what we face.

    So who's fault is it then that nothing has been rebuilt. Or is it just having a giant hole in the ground reminds Americans of why they should continue to be afraid and tow the line.
    My guess would be that the liberal politicians that have constantly railed for stupid things like a museum in the lobby that highlights America as a horrible place and glorified Muslim imperialism, to the inability of liberal politicians to lead in NYC and get this thing done.

    Do we now institute law based on mob rule? Since when did this happen?
    Sorry, but either the peoples voice means something, or it doesn't....Liberals have already shown clearly that they can't handle the mantel of leadership in more than one way, I guess they will simply NOT get the message.

    The point is, the people are angry about this, I can't say I blame them... but it is important to understand this is about Freedom of Religion and Private Property Rights. IF the people want to institute an Anti-Islam Clause into those things then I suppose they can do that. But until then, you can protest it all you want, but it's their land.
    More strawman arguments I see.

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    Re: President Obama comes out in support of Ground Zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by independent_thinker2002 View Post
    Why do you say "never"?

    It is possible that it will exist and people could see it is harmless.

    No.


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    Re: President Obama comes out in support of Ground Zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    And why do you suppose that is? Could it be that in times of attack like 9/11 we heard stone cold silence from these supposed moderates? Or worse yet in the words of Imam Rauf, that the US was "accomplice to the events of 9/11"? PUHLEEZE!
    I am getting so tired of posting this.

    Muslim Americans
    In a Joint Statement by American Muslim Alliance, American Muslim Council, Association of Muslim Scientists and Engineers, Association of Muslim Social Scientists, Council on American-Islamic Relations, Islamic Medical Association of North America, Islamic Circle of North America, Islamic Society of North America, Ministry of Imam W. Deen Mohammed, Muslim American Society and Muslim Public Affairs Council, stated:[5]

    American Muslims utterly condemn the vicious and cowardly acts of terrorism against innocent civilians. We join with all Americans in calling for the swift apprehension and punishment of the perpetrators. No political cause could ever be assisted by such immoral acts.
    Renowned Muslim scholar Yusuf al-Qaradawi denounced the attacks and the killings of hundreds of civilians as a "heinous crime" and urged Muslims to donate blood to the victims. He did however criticise the United States' "biased policy towards Israel"
    This is kind of expected though.

    Huge crowds attended candlelit vigils in Iran, and 60,000 spectators observed a minute's silence at Tehran football stadium.
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    One of the biggest lies so far is that they are building this as an "outreach center"...
    Yeah right! Tell me why when this first came to the public's attention that it was referred to as a Mosque, obviously to shroud it in religious freedoms of the US, then as the argument heated up, all of the sudden it was a "Cultural Center" with a mosque in it.... The next one that Rauf thought that no one would pick up on was the naming of that Mosque "Cordoba House" and the significance of that name in the history of Muslim caliphate in the 700's, I have already pointed that one out. Another is the masking of funding for this Mosque, where is it coming from, and whom is behind it?

    Shall I continue?
    Well whoever originally called the entire thing a Mosque straight up obviously had a chip on their shoulder. Who cares about the 700's. What year is it again?

    No, I am calling it what it is. The name, and other aspects make it so.
    That's dishonest. Would it not be a mosque of conquest if it were on ground zero itself with a big flag saying Mosque of Conquest... no? I don't know many conquest monuments that have a performance and a swimming pool. Or do you think muslims will be diving into the pool while shouting death to America?

    Oh spare me the US is more threat to US citizens than radical Islam crap will ya? We either take on this threat to win, or get ready to submit. It is that simple.
    No it isn't. Do you know how easily the patriot act can be turned against you?

    I never heard your answer as to how much of the Twin Towers are rebuilt yet?
    It's not across the street. It will not "Tower Over" it's Two blocks away. Get over yourself.

    It is real simple, I read you as one that believes that we can make friends with these radicals, and if that is your presentation, then you clearly do NOT understand what we face.
    When did I say that. Direct quote please? Who said anything about making friends with radical islamists? Or are you implying something because all your arguments are faulty, and the only way you can see to displant mine is to try and paint me as a terrorist sympathizer, how could such a strategy fail?


    My guess would be that the liberal politicians that have constantly railed for stupid things like a museum in the lobby that highlights America as a horrible place and glorified Muslim imperialism, to the inability of liberal politicians to lead in NYC and get this thing done.
    Guess you can't prove any of that eh? Your argument pretty much lacks all credibility and sense right about here. "Liberal this and liberal that. Mmmmhmmm and I'm Nelson Mandela.

    Sorry, but either the peoples voice means something, or it doesn't....Liberals have already shown clearly that they can't handle the mantel of leadership in more than one way, I guess they will simply NOT get the message.
    Either the constitution means something or it doesn't. Conservatives like you have shown clearly they can't handle the mantel of the constitution in more than one way, I guess you will simply NEVER get the message as to what this argument is really about.

    More strawman arguments I see.

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