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    Re: President Obama comes out in support of Ground Zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    Nope, sure didn't. I provided a hyperthetical as to what might be the origins of some Muslim extremist hatred towards the U.S. and asked questions to hopefully engage people's minds just a little. Didn't claim to be presenting anything factual.
    Dude, you said this:

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    I didn't say that our support of Arab/Isreal in and of itslef led to 9/11. I said maybe...maybe some of our foreign policies that led the way for exclusion of Muslim nations from the world stage but fostered inclusion of Arab/Isreal may have led to Muslim extremism that eventually led to 9/11. I also said that history may prove our position to have been correct.

    Let me ask you these questions:

    When exactly did Iran become a member of the U.N.?

    How many other Muslim nations are also part of this world organization?

    Why are they excluded?

    What nation primarily has led the way for their exclusion?

    Why are they set apart from participating in shaping world policies?

    Again, I'm not saying that their exclusion was not justified. I am saying, however, that doing so may have led to the growth of Muslim extremism over the years and how radical Muslim extremist saw fit to project their anger at the U.S. on that faithful day.
    That was not a "hypothetical." You presented it in such a way that it was clear you actually thought there were no Muslim countries in the UN and that the US was the primary force keeping them out.

    If it was a hypothetical, which, again, it clearly was not, it was an exceedingly silly one, because it has nothing whatsoever to do with actual history. You might as well have said "why have we been nuking them into glass once a year, every year, since 1945? Do you think that may be why they hate us?" It would have as much relevance to anything as what you actually did post.


    BTW, the history lesson I was referrig to in that post was directed at WWII and why Japan attacked us, but the under-tone as to why radical Islam and Muslim extremists hate us so could stem from the same thing...U.S. foreign policy both governing bodies disagreed with. That was the point I was attempting to address. But again, we can save that for another debate.
    I'm well aware of what "lesson" you were referring to, and I responded to it then. But if our foreign policy was correct, and they attacked us for that foreign policy, then I'd say they're the ones deserving OUR scorn, not the other way around. See, when you try to get too cute, you often prove too much.
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    Re: President Obama comes out in support of Ground Zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    Well, let's try to atleast provide some room for an honest mistake, shall we?
    No. It's clear the imam promoting this temple to terrorism is a supporter of terrorism himself.

    So, being objective, I refuse to say the guilty are the innocent and the thousands of dead Americans share the guilt.

    I mean, if it is discovered that a supporter of terrorism or a terrorist organization used some "shadow" entity to funnel money to the Mosque's construction, for example, and the Mosque's owner knew nothing of the contributor's true identity,
    And if the three blind mice had hearing aids, they'd still be blind to the fact that the imam building the temple to terrorism by his own words and actions, has proven himself to be a supporter of radical islamic terrorism.

    So, there's no need to consider that someone as highly placed that that politician doesn't know where the money is coming from.

    So, you got any valid arguments to make?

    ...

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    Nope, didn't see any.

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    Re: President Obama comes out in support of Ground Zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by BDBoop View Post
    So - the thread you started saying Muslim is not a religion was hyperbolic?
    Then again, there is the fact that the word muslim refers to a follower of the religion of Islam. Hence "muslim" is not a religion.

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    Re: President Obama comes out in support of Ground Zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by bicycleman View Post
    Of course, Obama is going to come out in favor of fellow Muslims.
    lol because he's secretly a muslim i get it lololol hilarious.
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    Re: President Obama comes out in support of Ground Zero mosque

    Many proponents of the ground zero mosque claim that it is blocks away from ground zero. The truth is the Burlington Coat Factory building is in a larger sense part of Ground Zero. The landing gear from one of the jetliners hijacked on September 11, 2001 flew into the building that the Islamic supremacists want to tear down to construct their mosque. That makes this building part of the 9/11 attack site, and will make the mosque, in the eyes of the Islamic world, exactly what the Dome of the Rock is: a mosque of victory built right on the site of the Muslim defeat of the Infidels. The Dome of the Rock and the Al-Aqsa Mosque, built on the site of the Jewish Temple in Jerusalem, are declarations of the superiority of Islam over Judaism, and its victory over Judaism. The mosque at the Burlington Coat Factory site, built on the site, not near it, but on it, because of that landing gear, of the Islamic jihad attack on September 11, 2001, will be seen as a declaration of the superiority of Islam over the United States, and its victory over the American economic machine. Why do you suppose they initially called this project the cordoba house? It was named this by the islamic supremacists who are attempting to build it after the mosque built in Cordoba Spain in AD 987. That mosque was built as a monument to the superiority of Islam over the conqured peoples of Spain.
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    Re: President Obama comes out in support of Ground Zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by SgtRock View Post
    Many proponents of the ground zero mosque claim that it is blocks away from ground zero. The truth is the Burlington Coat Factory building is in a larger sense part of Ground Zero. The landing gear from one of the jetliners hijacked on September 11, 2001 flew into the building that the Islamic supremacists want to tear down to construct their mosque. That makes this building part of the 9/11 attack site, and will make the mosque, in the eyes of the Islamic world, exactly what the Dome of the Rock is: a mosque of victory built right on the site of the Muslim defeat of the Infidels. The Dome of the Rock and the Al-Aqsa Mosque, built on the site of the Jewish Temple in Jerusalem, are declarations of the superiority of Islam over Judaism, and its victory over Judaism. The mosque at the Burlington Coat Factory site, built on the site, not near it, but on it, because of that landing gear, of the Islamic jihad attack on September 11, 2001, will be seen as a declaration of the superiority of Islam over the United States, and its victory over the American economic machine. Why do you suppose they initially called this project the cordoba house? It was named this by the islamic supremacists who are attempting to build it after the mosque built in Cordoba Spain in AD 987. That mosque was built as a monument to the superiority of Islam over the conqured peoples of Spain.
    I see no evidence to suggest its being built by Islamic supremeists with that intention, but rather average peace loving moderate guys like you and me. Stop being so hateful.
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    Re: President Obama comes out in support of Ground Zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by SgtRock View Post
    Many proponents of the ground zero mosque claim that it is blocks away from ground zero. The truth is the Burlington Coat Factory building is in a larger sense part of Ground Zero.
    No, it's two blocks away from ground zero.

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    Re: President Obama comes out in support of Ground Zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    No, it's two blocks away from ground zero.

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    Yes, its a fact that the landing gear from one of the planes that flew into the WTC crashed into the Burlington coat factory building. This makes it part of ground zero.

    btw, the BCF building is 600 feet from the location of the former WTC.
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    Re: President Obama comes out in support of Ground Zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by SgtRock View Post
    As of today 61% of New Yorkers many of them democrats, are aginst the ground zero mosque. Obama comes out in support. Not a very smart move on his part.
    Manhattanites, however, support it 46/36 with 18% undecided.

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    Re: President Obama comes out in support of Ground Zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by kaya'08 View Post
    I see no evidence to suggest its being built by Islamic supremeists with that intention, but rather average peace loving moderate guys like you and me. Stop being so hateful.
    Speak for yourself. My country is at war, and I have no time for peace until the last islamic supremicist breathes his last breath.
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