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    Re: President Obama comes out in support of Ground Zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    I was merely giving my perspective, right or wrong, as to why radical Islam may have such distain for America and our foreign policies. But if you can provide a better, more reasonable rationale as to why they hate us so much other than they're just a bunch of crazy Muslim fanatics, by all means present your assessment here.

    And for the record, for someone who you claim is saying "absolutely nothing" and whose "conclusions are unsound", you sure are following my post very closely.

    Just saying...
    Wait a minute . . .

    You actually didn't think that most -- or even any -- Muslim countries have membership in the UN? Seriously? And you insinuate that said lack of membership is propogated mostly by us, and that's why they try to hit us? Or at least partially?

    And you were lecturing people about studying history?
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    Re: President Obama comes out in support of Ground Zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    And you were lecturing people about studying history?
    I didn't see anything remotely approaching a lecture.

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    Re: President Obama comes out in support of Ground Zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by BDBoop View Post
    No, he really can't, because it's a local hot issue and he doesn't want to add any fuel to the fire. The specifics are not for him to comment on. Judging by how long he held off on saying anything, he knows this needs to be handled and dealt with on the local level.
    Obama does have a tendency to weight in on Local issues a bit huh?

    Of course, not unprovoked by media douchebags.
    "I condemn the ideology of White Supremacy and Nazism. They are thugs, criminals, and repugnant, and are against what I believe to be "The American Way" "
    Thus my obligatory condemnation of White supremacy will now be in every post, lest I be accused of supporting it because I didn't mention it specifically every time I post.

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    Re: President Obama comes out in support of Ground Zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by BDBoop View Post
    No, he really can't, because it's a local hot issue and he doesn't want to add any fuel to the fire.
    Then he should stay the hell out of it.

    The specifics are not for him to comment on.
    Then don't comment on it at all.

    Judging by how long he held off on saying anything, he knows this needs to be handled and dealt with on the local level.
    Then why answer a question that no one asked? This was never about their right to build the Mosque it was about whether it was appropriate to do so.

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    Re: President Obama comes out in support of Ground Zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by BDBoop View Post
    I didn't see anything remotely approaching a lecture.
    Then you haven't read the thread:

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    But ultimate WE were responsible. I don't mean to hijack the thread, but WE did cut off Japan's access to natural resources, in this case, oil. WE backed them in a corner. WE were the leading discenting voice in imposing an oil embargo upon them. As such, the Japanesse Empire fought back. End result = the attack on Pearl Harbor.

    Do yourself a favor, go back and read WWII history then come back and maybe we can discuss this matter futher. But for the sake of this issue where U.S. policy may have foster Muslim extremist angst, I think WE repeated the same mistake. Again, I'm not saying that we weren't justified, but you have to see things in their proper historical content to gain a full understanding of what led to certain events.
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    Re: President Obama comes out in support of Ground Zero mosque

    Of course, Obama is going to come out in favor of fellow Muslims.

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    Re: President Obama comes out in support of Ground Zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by bicycleman View Post
    Of course, Obama is going to come out in favor of fellow Muslims.
    Oh look...

    Another statement of baseless accusation...

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    Re: President Obama comes out in support of Ground Zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Wait a minute . . .

    You actually didn't think that most -- or even any -- Muslim countries have membership in the UN? Seriously? And you insinuate that said lack of membership is propogated mostly by us, and that's why they try to hit us? Or at least partially?

    And you were lecturing people about studying history?
    Quote Originally Posted by BDBoop View Post
    I didn't see anything remotely approaching a lecture.
    Nope, sure didn't. I provided a hyperthetical as to what might be the origins of some Muslim extremist hatred towards the U.S. and asked questions to hopefully engage people's minds just a little. Didn't claim to be presenting anything factual.

    BTW, the history lesson I was referrig to in that post was directed at WWII and why Japan attacked us, but the under-tone as to why radical Islam and Muslim extremists hate us so could stem from the same thing...U.S. foreign policy both governing bodies disagreed with. That was the point I was attempting to address. But again, we can save that for another debate.

    I think my point has been made as far as why it was important for the President to support the building of this Mosque. We may not like it, but to not to do so would tread on our American values and the rule of law.
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    Re: President Obama comes out in support of Ground Zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Then you haven't read the thread:
    Yes, I did. He would have had to talk a great deal longer for what he said to constitute a lecture. That was a suggestion.

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    Re: President Obama comes out in support of Ground Zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by BDBoop View Post
    Yes, I did. He would have had to talk a great deal longer for what he said to constitute a lecture. That was a suggestion.
    No, it was a snipy little lecture, and an incredibly ironic one at that. But, obviously you're going to take his side no matter what, so whatevs.
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