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    Re: President Obama comes out in support of Ground Zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by joergan View Post
    I respect your opinion, and you certainly state it in an elegant, thoughtful manner, making some good points.
    Thank you. Just trying to get people to take a breath, step back from the situation for just a moment, put their emotions aside and see the larger picture here.

    Dorothy Rabinowitz: Liberal Piety and the Memory of 9/11 - WSJ.com

    "Dr. Zuhdi Jasser—devout Muslim, physician, former U.S. Navy lieutenant commander and founder of the American Islamic Forum for Democracy—says there is every reason to investigate the center's funding under the circumstances. Of the mosque so near the site of the 9/11 attacks, he notes "It will certainly be seen as a victory for political Islam.""
    This I also agree with. And if it's proven after following the money trail that funding did, in fact, come from Muslim extremist, the Mosque's owner should either return said funding, allow same to be confiscated by the Dept. of Homeland Security or halt the construction of the Mosque - period!

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    Re: President Obama comes out in support of Ground Zero mosque

    politico's perspective, 24 hours later:

    With criticism mounting of his support for the construction of an Islamic center two blocks from Ground Zero in Manhattan, President Obama on Saturday defended his decision to wade into the controversy the night before, but backed off from his previous stance.
    (42 words)

    DEFENDED but BACKED OFF?

    that's one loopy prez, huh?

    kinda worst of both worlds, no?

    what an idiot

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    Re: President Obama comes out in support of Ground Zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    But he must. This issue, could be the first step in either a right or wrong direction. If a precedence was reached, in which, they could stop this mosque from being built. It is possible, that, that precidence could reach to any city or town in America.

    What if towns simply decided:

    "HEY! We don't want them dirty Muslims here opening a mosque, see they stopped them in New York, so will we!"



    But they are. Mob rule doesn't often turn out well.

    Again. Do I think it's a good idea... no. But if we begin subverting rights as we have already done out of fear... where do we stop it?
    No one was challenging their religious freedom. They were criticizing what they were choosing to do with their religious freedom. Just as people challenge what others choose to do with their freedom of speech.

    I brought this up in another thread -- the protests were along the same lines as those protesting the NRA for holding their convention in Denver a few weeks after the Columbine shootings. Almost no one was protesting their right to hold a convention or even their right to bear arms. (Maybe a few were, but it wasn't the point of the protests.) Of course, a difference in THAT case was that the convention had been planned long in advance and the location was entirely coincidental.

    CNN - Mass student protests expected over NRA meeting in Denver - May 1, 1999

    The protests had exactly the same motivation as these protests in NY. Funny, the President didn't see the need to get involved then.

    By the way, are you challenging the freedom of speech of the people protesting the mosque? By your reasoning, you must be.
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    Re: President Obama comes out in support of Ground Zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Yes, I get the point. But you're wrong. I do get it that it's YHO, though.
    This is getting rather frustrating.

    So far, 3 posters, all of whom happen to label themselves as "liberal", one of whom is a mod no less, has responded with "you're wrong," or something similar in about 5-7 posts. Either come up with a thoughtful, defendable response, or I will have to consider you trolling and will report the post to CC.

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    Re: President Obama comes out in support of Ground Zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    No one was challenging their religious freedom. They were criticizing what they were choosing to do with their religious freedom. Just as people challenge what others choose to do with their freedom of speech.

    I brought this up in another thread -- the protests were along the same lines as those protesting the NRA for holding their convention in Denver a few weeks after the Columbine shootings. Almost no one was protesting their right to hold a convention or even their right to bear arms. (Maybe a few were, but it wasn't the point of the protests.) Of course, a difference in THAT case was that the convention had been planned long in advance and the location was entirely coincidental.

    CNN - Mass student protests expected over NRA meeting in Denver - May 1, 1999

    The protests had exactly the same motivation as these protests in NY. Funny, the President didn't see the need to get involved then.
    I agree whole heartedly.

    You are absolutely right.

    But this carries far more weight. A national opinion has been formed, and a fire exists under it, fuel coming from the national media on both sides.

    And there are those who DO challenge their religious freedom and what they choose to do with it. There are. Scan the posts on this subject, believe me there are.

    Personally I think the solution is this: Sell the land for a tidy profit (which they could do), and build a bigger and better community centre/mosque elsewhere.

    Otherwise. Can't we all just... get along? Having that mosque there won't change a goddam thing.

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    Re: President Obama comes out in support of Ground Zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by BDBoop View Post
    Some things are just common knowledge. Which apparently you lack? Sorry.
    You are failing in this thread miserably, and I'm not sure why you're even in it. In about 7 posts we've gotten little of value, would placing you on ignore be your goal?

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    Re: President Obama comes out in support of Ground Zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    I agree whole heartedly.

    You are absolutely right.

    But this carries far more weight. A national opinion has been formed, and a fire exists under it, fuel coming from the national media on both sides.

    And there are those who DO challenge their religious freedom and what they choose to do with it. There are. Scan the posts on this subject, believe me there are.

    Personally I think the solution is this: Sell the land for a tidy profit (which they could do), and build a bigger and better community centre/mosque elsewhere.

    Otherwise. Can't we all just... get along? Having that mosque there won't change a goddam thing.
    If you think this is a bigger deal than Columbine was, it's because you weren't around for Columbine.

    But my personal opinion on this particular matter is that it wouldn't mean a thing if the WTC had been rebuilt and there wasn't still a gaping hole at Ground Zero.
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    Re: President Obama comes out in support of Ground Zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    But ultimate WE were responsible. I don't mean to hijack the thread, but WE did cut off Japan's access to natural resources, in this case, oil. WE backed them in a corner. WE were the leading discenting voice in imposing an oil embargo upon them. As such, the Japanesse Empire fought back. End result = the attack on Pearl Harbor.

    Do yourself a favor, go back and read WWII history then come back and maybe we can discuss this matter futher. But for the sake of this issue where U.S. policy may have foster Muslim extremist angst, I think WE repeated the same mistake. Again, I'm not saying that we weren't justified, but you have to see things in their proper historical content to gain a full understanding of what led to certain events.
    Uh, Japan was already in China in 1931, long before the US got involved...I'm not sure whether you should be demanding others read history before posting...

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    Re: President Obama comes out in support of Ground Zero mosque

    Speech on mosque was Obama's call - Carol E. Lee - POLITICO.com

    dang, now even backstabbers INSIDE THE ADMIN are throwing him under

    the call was "purely his own," said an "administration official"

    (in other words, we staffers, being professionals, had NOTHING to do with this)

    obama did not, says the source, "delve deeply into the details of the plan for the site"

    you mean, he just goes off half cocked?

    why was gibbs' line all along, local matter?

    saturday he appeared to "back away," which only "further stoked" the "national firestorm" he "tipped off"

    it was all "off the cuff"

    hey, a prez must bespeak his soul

    he actually, we learn, released the iftar address in advance to "maximize its impact"

    where're the results from the outreach, mr president?

    when are you gonna talk to the leaders of iran, close gitmo, prosecute the cia, move ksm downtown and change the world?

    his answer, evidently---it all starts at iftar

    our secret source, via ms lee---the president is "absolutely not walking back"

    the msm don't seem to be buying it, do they?

    professional left, anyone?

    (34 words cited from source)
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    Re: President Obama comes out in support of Ground Zero mosque

    Prof, may we assume that your tenure was not acquired in the language arts department? LOL!

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