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    Re: President Obama comes out in support of Ground Zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    Is there really a religious war going on in the minds of the faithful?
    i don't know, but there's some kinda culture clash going on on the streets of new york and, now, beyond, down the country roads and bylanes of every village and suburb in america

    it has something to do with improving relations

    the targets of this effort to facilitate friendship appear extremely offput

    for some reason

    to me, their sentiments are private and personal

    to those who who are working so hard and ineffectually to better understanding---it has do with the ignorance and hate of those who refuse to be improved

    i wouldn't call it a war, tho, not here in america

    it's an election

    come, november!
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    Re: President Obama comes out in support of Ground Zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Being so offensive is very relevant, in this case.

    The Leftist position on this mosque only goes to prove the hypocrisy that the garden variety Leftie posesses. If the KKK opened up their Alabama headquarters across the street from the 16th street Baptist Church, in Birmingham, you would all be up-n-arms over it. Why? Because it's offensive! All kinds of laws and local ordinances would be twisted and changed to stop it, too. The same way that laws and ordinances were changed to allow this mosque to be built.

    Just goes to show how political correctness sucks donkey balls.

    To top it off, this asshole imam was actually hired by the government to go on an outreach tour in the ME. First of all, that's a violation of the seperation of church and state. Second, it gives credibility to this asshole, who deserves none. I believe that it's a fund raising tour vice an outreach mission. He's probably meeting with his jihadist brothers to raise money to build the mosque, which will be seen as a victory over the United States, in the eyes of most Muslims.
    First, the KKK is not a religion. Second, while I think of the KKK in the same way I think of Baptists, if they want to open a headquarters somewhere, I don't care where, and there is nothing in the zoning to disallow it, they have to be allowed. I don't have to like it, but I can't, nor will I try, to stop it. Just because I don't like something does not mean I can infringe on people's rights, ever. Usually that is easy, sometimes, such as the example of the KKK, it's not so easy, but it is still necessary.
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    Re: President Obama comes out in support of Ground Zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    i don't know, but there's some kinda culture clash going on on the streets of new york and, now, beyond, down the country roads and bylanes of every village and suburb in america

    it has something to do with improving relations

    the targets of this effort to facilitate friendship seem very offput

    for some reason

    to me, their sentiments are private and personal

    to those who who are working so hard and ineffetually to better understanding---it has do with the ignorance and hate of those who refuse to be improved

    i wouldn't call it a war, tho, not here in america

    it's an election

    come, november!
    So true. But if "the election" doesn't go the way some are wishing it will go, will it then be a war or just more years of non-stop whining?

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    Re: President Obama comes out in support of Ground Zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    Explain yourself Redress.

    the very high percentage of muslims who accept and extol terrorism and violence as a means to accomplish political goals

    Where is the evidence that supports this is true with a high percentage of Christians?

    the very high percentage of Christians who seek to subjugate the world under Christianity

    Again, your evidence please.

    the unwillingness of Christians to separate the religious elements of it from the practice of the political

    Evidence please

    the unwillingness of Christians to modernize or reform islam so as to suppress the violent components of their texts from being applied in modern times

    Evidence please

    the consistent intolerance and oppression of non-Christian minorities inside Christian -majority nations, while demanding their "rights" while living in non-Christian majority nations

    Again, evidence please.


    You cannot simply substitute Christianity for Islam and pretend you don't have to explain why. Please do so.
    Redress, can you address this please?
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    Re: President Obama comes out in support of Ground Zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    1. Polls reflect public sentiment at a given point in time on a given issue.
    and TWENTY SEVEN POINT margins are not regularly overcome between a given august and a named november

    2. Leadership requires more than merely catering to public sentiment.
    on this topic, leadership requires the actual improvement of relations

    leadership is falling fatally flat, empirically

    anecdotally, turn on your tv

    i appreciate your characteristic depth of thought
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    Re: President Obama comes out in support of Ground Zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    First, the KKK is not a religion. Second, while I think of the KKK in the same way I think of Baptists, if they want to open a headquarters somewhere, I don't care where, and there is nothing in the zoning to disallow it, they have to be allowed. I don't have to like it, but I can't, nor will I try, to stop it. Just because I don't like something does not mean I can infringe on people's rights, ever. Usually that is easy, sometimes, such as the example of the KKK, it's not so easy, but it is still necessary.
    You think of the KKK the same way you think of baptists? I am somewhat surprised to hear that from you. (And not in a good way, Redress.) I think you just went from 98% accuracy to about 93%

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    Re: President Obama comes out in support of Ground Zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    First, the KKK is not a religion. Second, while I think of the KKK in the same way I think of Baptists, if they want to open a headquarters somewhere, I don't care where, and there is nothing in the zoning to disallow it, they have to be allowed. I don't have to like it, but I can't, nor will I try, to stop it. Just because I don't like something does not mean I can infringe on people's rights, ever. Usually that is easy, sometimes, such as the example of the KKK, it's not so easy, but it is still necessary.
    So, the KKK and the Baptists are the same thing? Kind of a bigotted statement there, eh? Be careful, I got a moderater warning for comparing the KKK to Islam.
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    Re: President Obama comes out in support of Ground Zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    You think of the KKK the same way you think of baptists? I am somewhat surprised to hear that from you. (And not in a good way, Redress.) I think you just went from 98% accuracy to about 93%

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    Re: President Obama comes out in support of Ground Zero mosque

    Really quickly, since this is way off topic, but the Baptist church threw my mother out, publicly, and referenced doing so, and her being damned to hell, in front of my sister and I(aged 7 and 5). I have personal reasons for disliking the baptist church, and freely admit it is not an entirely rational emotion. This is also off the point I was trying to make.
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    Re: President Obama comes out in support of Ground Zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    So true. But if "the election" doesn't go the way some are wishing it will go, will it then be a war or just more years of non-stop whining?
    thanks, politics is politics

    whosever is up beats the crap outta whoever's down, who whines

    that's why obama so often resembles a little girl, blaming his predecessor for deficits, the failure of the stimulus to cap unemployment at 8%, the ESCALATION of HIS war in afghanistan...

    it is what it is

    obama's on the FAR wrong side of just about every issue, afghanistan is a disaster, and the economy's a crapper

    come, november!

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