Page 34 of 104 FirstFirst ... 2432333435364484 ... LastLast
Results 331 to 340 of 1032

Thread: President Obama comes out in support of Ground Zero mosque

  1. #331
    Banned
    Join Date
    Jun 2010
    Last Seen
    04-03-17 @ 12:34 AM
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    241

    Re: President Obama comes out in support of Ground Zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    No thread is complete without a completely out of place nazi reference.
    I was using an absurd reference to highlight the absurdity of the claim "well, alot of people do it so then it's ok."

  2. #332
    Banned
    Join Date
    Mar 2009
    Location
    Past the edge of the universe, through the singularity, and out the other side.
    Last Seen
    09-01-10 @ 05:23 PM
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    4,324

    Re: President Obama comes out in support of Ground Zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by Morality Games View Post
    It's sort of hard to oppose this without conflating Al Qaeda with mainstream Muslims. Either you believe:

    1. Al Qaeda and mainstream Muslims are identical.

    2. They aren't identical, but people can't be expected to differentiate the two, so we evaluate them as though they are identical.
    They aren't identical, AQ supports jihad against all infidels simply because they're infidels, mainstream Islam doesn't support that, but that doesn't make mainstream Islam a tolerant positive ideology, in all five mainstream sects of Islam the only accepted views are that the penalties for apostasy, homosexuality, adultery, and/or premarital sex is capital and/or corporal punishment.

    Both mainstream Islam and Islamism are oppressive and violent, it's a difference of degree not of kind.

  3. #333
    Banned
    Join Date
    Jun 2010
    Last Seen
    04-03-17 @ 12:34 AM
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    241

    Re: President Obama comes out in support of Ground Zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    From the comments Obama made "n accordance with local laws and ordinances". So much for that argument.
    Obama is not the mayor of NYC, nor is he the Governor. It is not his place to give an opinion on a VERY combustible local issue. Perhaps he should be next issuing proclamations on how the subway should be run? You are in agreement with his comment, so it is obvious why you are so willing to tolerate his interference in the management of a local issue...

  4. #334
    Sage

    Join Date
    Sep 2007
    Last Seen
    09-24-17 @ 04:38 AM
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    29,261

    Re: President Obama comes out in support of Ground Zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by joergan View Post
    This is liberal nonsense. There are several fundamental reasons that islam cannot be compared to the major world religions:

    1-the very high percentage of muslims who accept and extol terrorism and violence as a means to accomplish political goals

    We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity. We weren't punctilious about locating and punishing only Hitler and his top officers. We carpet-bombed German cities; we killed civilians. That's war. And this is war.
    Ann Coulter
    So would this quote from Anne Coulter extolling violence mean she is a member of a cult?

  5. #335
    Banned
    Join Date
    Jun 2010
    Last Seen
    04-03-17 @ 12:34 AM
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    241

    Re: President Obama comes out in support of Ground Zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    22% of the people in the world are Muslims. It is a religion, not a cult....unless you're using a very broad definition of cult that would include all religions.
    IMHO, there are several definitions that all need to be applied simultaneously to a religion:

    1-it must offer a peaceful method of interaction with both its adherents and non-belivers (islam fails this)
    2-it must offer the ability to be flexible and morph over time to remain relevant in modern context (islam fails this)
    3-it must not seek to brainwash adherents, that only its way is the Right One (both islam and christianity fail this, but islam's merger of both the spiritual and political lead to a greater failure)
    4-it must not accept the use of violence to expand its reach (islam badly fails this)

    These are but a few that come to mind, but you get the point.

  6. #336
    Banned
    Join Date
    Jun 2010
    Last Seen
    04-03-17 @ 12:34 AM
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    241

    Re: President Obama comes out in support of Ground Zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    So would this quote from Anne Coulter extolling violence mean she is a member of a cult?
    Anne Coulter is not a priest, nor does she claim to be an expert on Christianity, nor does she present herself as speaking on behalf of christianity; if asked she would probably claim she is speaking on behalf on the Western democracies than as a religious figure.

    That cannot be claimed of the thousands or millions of imams, clerics and learned muslims who declare a desire to conduct violent jihad and subjugation of the west. Whose state-owned newspapers do the same or worse, who operate fund-raising charities with which to conduct terrorism operations like the holy land foundation.
    Last edited by joergan; 08-15-10 at 11:35 AM.

  7. #337
    Sage

    Join Date
    Sep 2007
    Last Seen
    09-24-17 @ 04:38 AM
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    29,261

    Re: President Obama comes out in support of Ground Zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by joergan View Post
    Anne Coulter is not a priest, nor does she claim to be an expert on Christianity, nor does she present herself as speaking on behalf of christianity; if asked she would probably claim she is speaking on behalf on the Western democracies than as a religious figure.

    That cannot be claimed of the thousands or millions of imams, clerics and learned muslims who declare a desire to conduct violent jihad and subjugation of the west. Whose state-owned newspapers do the same or worse, who operate fund-raising charities with which to conduct terrorism operations like the holy land foundation.

    I'm sure I can find plenty of Priests, Ministers, Preachers that extol violence as a means to an end.

  8. #338
    Sage

    Join Date
    Apr 2008
    Location
    Huntsville, AL (USA)
    Last Seen
    Today @ 09:48 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Moderate
    Posts
    9,763

    Re: President Obama comes out in support of Ground Zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by joergan View Post
    Obama is not the mayor of NYC, nor is he the Governor. It is not his place to give an opinion on a VERY combustible local issue. Perhaps he should be next issuing proclamations on how the subway should be run? You are in agreement with his comment, so it is obvious why you are so willing to tolerate his interference in the management of a local issue...
    But the building of this Mosque so close to Ground Zero isn't just a local NYC or NY State issue. As I said in one of my previous posts, the decision to build it within such close proximity to Ground Zero affects many Americans on both an emotional and psychological level. As such, I understand why so many people are opposed to its construction at the specific location. However, I've also said that what's at stake goes so much deeper than our emotional, psychological or even political preferences or viewpoints. The deeper issue is "Who are we as Americans and will we adhere to our founding priciples or will we abandon those priciples just because they may make us uncomfortable from time to time?" That is what's truly at stake here. To that, I believe the President said the right thing here. He is upholding our American values by protecting and preserving basic human rights - freedom of religion, freedom of choice and upholding the rule of law at all levels. That to me is more important that the politics of the day. And it should be just as important for you, too.

    Let me put it to you this way...

    Had the President stood up and said it was wrong for this Mosque to be built, I believe the message Muslims around the world would have taken from this is "Americans ARE hypocrits! They truly don't believe in freedom of religion or democracy as they claim they do." And in taking such a stance, the President would have been sending a message to Muslim extremist that they were fully justified in attacking us not only on 9/11 but anywhere around the world. You have to remember, the guiding reason behind their hatred of America and Americans is U.S. Foreign Policy. Part of what guides said policy is how we abide by or subvert the very document that guides our fundamental priciples - the U.S. Constitution. Is this the message you want to send to the world? That America, for all of our talk on fairness and religious freedom is a smoke screen? That's it's just BS?

    THINK IT THROUGH, PEOPLE!!!! There's so much more to this issue than your own emotional or political point of view.
    Last edited by Objective Voice; 08-15-10 at 12:10 PM.

  9. #339
    Liberal Fascist For Life!


    Redress's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2008
    Location
    Georgia
    Last Seen
    Today @ 09:56 PM
    Lean
    Very Liberal
    Posts
    93,315
    Blog Entries
    2

    Re: President Obama comes out in support of Ground Zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by joergan View Post
    This is liberal nonsense. There are several fundamental reasons that islam cannot be compared to the major world religions:

    1-the very high percentage of muslims who accept and extol terrorism and violence as a means to accomplish political goals
    2-the very high percentage of muslims who seek to subjugate the world under islam
    3-the unwillingness of muslims to separate the religious elements of it from the practice of the political
    4-the unwillingness of muslims to modernize or reform islam so as to suppress the violent components of their texts from being applied in modern times
    5-the consistent intolerance and oppression of non-muslim minorities inside muslim-majority nations, while demanding their "rights" while living in non-muslim majority nations

    These 5 issues as a whole point to islam as an operable cult, one standing well apart from the other world religions. Political correctness may force people to hide their heads in the sand in the face of these 5 points, but reality speaks louder than spin...
    Yeah, I see where it's different from Christianity....
    We became a great nation not because we are a nation of cynics. We became a great nation because we are a nation of believers - Lindsey Graham

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Uh oh Megyn...your vagina witchcraft is about ready to be exposed.

  10. #340
    Sage

    Join Date
    Jul 2009
    Last Seen
    05-16-15 @ 02:32 PM
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    12,537

    Re: President Obama comes out in support of Ground Zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    Nice bit of spin by the New York Post -- I see the far-righties are on it like flies to dog ****.
    you really should watch your language, respect yourself and others with even higher standards

    far righties?

    LOL!

    you mean, like martin frost, mike mcmahon, tim bishop, jeff greene, kendrick meek, and a half dozen unnamed dem aides and advisers in new york (see politico link, above)

    why have pelosi and reid no comment on this idiotic thrust of the president into this thorniest of downtown dilemnas?

    why won't schumer and cuomo come out, they were courageous enough to go to rangel's birthday party (unlike half the empire state's blues)?

    i wonder what they'll say...

    anyway, it is plainly apparent why barack hussein obama is riding against a current of almost consensus american conclusion on this most dangerous of downtown dilemnas (cnn registers opposition to this project at 59%, support at 32, a plurality of TWENTY SEVEN PERCENT)

    it's because hussein obama and his supporters see people like MARTIN FROST as far righties!

    LOL!

    maybe obama's base really is in need of drug testing

Page 34 of 104 FirstFirst ... 2432333435364484 ... LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •