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    Re: President Obama comes out in support of Ground Zero mosque

    Forgive me if I'm reading this wrong, but are the following not true?
    1. The 'Mosque' will not be at Ground Zero, but 2 city blocks north of it.
    2. That no one is building a Mosque anyway, but converting an old factory into an Islamic Cultural Centre.
    3. That no one is accusing the Moslems of doing anything illegal.
    4. That zoning laws permit the change of use of the building in question.

    Why is this an issue?
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    Re: President Obama comes out in support of Ground Zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    So Obama should base his stance on issues based on polls?
    He should:

    1) have respect for those of us living here to decide our own issues
    2) he already did function entirely on polls, at least until they started going against him
    3) show some leadership for once

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    Re: President Obama comes out in support of Ground Zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    I don't believe the KKK is a religion, so your example does not appear to be applicable.
    I do not believe that islam is a religion, but a cult, so I do not know how your comment is applicable.

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    Re: President Obama comes out in support of Ground Zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    Well, it's been around for about 1400 years, and 1.3 billion people practice it. I'd say it qualifies as a religion.
    Fallacy of numbers theorum. There were 70 million Nazi party followers, and many millions of Nazi party members - was Nazism a religion too?

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    Re: President Obama comes out in support of Ground Zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by joergan View Post
    I do not believe that islam is a religion, but a cult, so I do not know how your comment is applicable.
    What is the definition between a religion and a cult then?
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    Re: President Obama comes out in support of Ground Zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by joergan View Post
    I do not believe that islam is a religion, but a cult, so I do not know how your comment is applicable.
    22% of the people in the world are Muslims. It is a religion, not a cult....unless you're using a very broad definition of cult that would include all religions.
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    Re: President Obama comes out in support of Ground Zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by joergan View Post
    He should:

    1) have respect for those of us living here to decide our own issues
    From the comments Obama made "n accordance with local laws and ordinances". So much for that argument.


    2) he already did function entirely on polls, at least until they started going against him
    Evidence?


    3) show some leadership for once
    Like saying an unpopular group has constitutional rights?
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    Re: President Obama comes out in support of Ground Zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by joergan View Post
    Fallacy of numbers theorum. There were 70 million Nazi party followers, and many millions of Nazi party members - was Nazism a religion too?
    No thread is complete without a completely out of place nazi reference.
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    Re: President Obama comes out in support of Ground Zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    2. That no one is building a Mosque anyway, but converting an old factory into an Islamic Cultural Centre.
    It's a Mosque. You can call it whatever you want but they will be holding daily prayers their, it's a Mosque.

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    Re: President Obama comes out in support of Ground Zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by ScottD View Post
    They fit as well into the definition as a cult as any other modern religion really. I mean many religions have their terrorists. Christian terrorists, Jewish terrorists, etc. The only religion I haven't heard being claimed by a terrorist is Bhuddism, even though with the whole Tibet deal I could be wrong about even that.
    This is liberal nonsense. There are several fundamental reasons that islam cannot be compared to the major world religions:

    1-the very high percentage of muslims who accept and extol terrorism and violence as a means to accomplish political goals
    2-the very high percentage of muslims who seek to subjugate the world under islam
    3-the unwillingness of muslims to separate the religious elements of it from the practice of the political
    4-the unwillingness of muslims to modernize or reform islam so as to suppress the violent components of their texts from being applied in modern times
    5-the consistent intolerance and oppression of non-muslim minorities inside muslim-majority nations, while demanding their "rights" while living in non-muslim majority nations

    These 5 issues as a whole point to islam as an operable cult, one standing well apart from the other world religions. Political correctness may force people to hide their heads in the sand in the face of these 5 points, but reality speaks louder than spin...

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