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    Re: President Obama comes out in support of Ground Zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by Jucon View Post
    One of the goals of Christianity (for example) is to "convert" the entire world to their religion. So should we be suspicious of all Christians? Will they eventually wipe out all the non-believers so Jesus will finally come back to earth? I'm not worried. Nor am I worried that all Muslims will rise up and kill us all. There are both good and terrible people in all religions. I am not one to let the extremists speak for the rest of their religion.
    I certainly look at anyone who professes their belief in an invisible man in the sky with a bit of suspicion. I especially look at this guy with a great deal of suspicion considering that he has blamed the U.S. for 9-11, said OBL was made in the USA, refuses to condemn Hamas as a terrorist organization, and wants a Sharia compliant U.S..

    Religious beliefs are shoved into politics all the time... but if you truly believe that America will EVER condone the death penalty for adultery, lashing someone for having sex out of wedlock, or cutting someone's hands off for stealing... as The Prof feels he needs to shove into this discussion... you should take a drug test.
    I didn't say that it would happen, I don't think the American Nazi Party will ever obtain political power in the U.S. either, but that shouldn't stop me from condemning their platform.

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    Re: President Obama comes out in support of Ground Zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    There are no mainstream progressive sects within Islam, it doesn't exist, those who don't support that Ijma are in the extreme minority and are considered heretical. The closest thing you can find to a mainstream progressive Islamic sect are the Sufi's but all of the other sects consider them heretics.
    So since the ever growing amount of progressive Islamist both in the Middle East and the Western world haven't formed an organized sect that is not considered heretical by the old establishments, you believe they should be discriminated against in the U.S.? What is your actual point?

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    Re: President Obama comes out in support of Ground Zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    I certainly look at anyone who professes their belief in an invisible man in the sky with a bit of suspicion.
    Oh no. Another atheist "elitist" that thinks he's smarter than anyone who believes in something that cannot be seen.

    "A common sense interpretation of the facts suggests that a superintellect has monkeyed with physics, as well as with chemistry and biology, and that there are no blind forces worth speaking about in nature. The numbers one calculates from the facts seem to me so overwhelming as to put this conclusion almost beyond question." Fred Hoyle, Astrophysicist

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    Re: President Obama comes out in support of Ground Zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    the fact of the matter is historically and presently Islam has been responsible for more bloodshed than Judaism and Christianity combined.
    I'd like to hear how the Native Americans feel about that statement.

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    Re: President Obama comes out in support of Ground Zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by Johnny DooWop View Post
    So since the ever growing amount of progressive Islamist both in the Middle East and the Western world haven't formed an organized sect
    Progressive Muslims are in the fringe, I support progressive Muslims there's no such thing as a progressive Islamist, the two concepts are mutually exclusive, the fact of the matter is that mainstream Islam is today inherently oppressive.

    that is not considered heretical by the old establishments, you believe they should be discriminated against in the U.S.? What is your actual point?
    No I believe Muslims should have equal protection under the law but that the 1st amendment right to speak the truth about the oppressive nature of their ideology should likewise be respected. In this country the only defense against the freedom of speech is more freedom of speech.

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    Re: President Obama comes out in support of Ground Zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by Johnny DooWop View Post
    I'd like to hear how the Native Americans feel about that statement.
    Probably a lot better than the Indians which were slaughtered in the millions by the Islamic Imperialists in the largest genocide until Stalin and Hitler. Especially considering that the vast majority of Native Americans who died were not killed by systematic genocide as were the Hindus and Buddhists on the Indian subcontinent.

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    Re: President Obama comes out in support of Ground Zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post

    let's all hope we idiots, as a nation, can survive all this too-smart-for-its-own-good leadership
    So you're saying that people are always right and we should dictate policy by polls?

    I remember a certain Democrat President who got endless flak for doing just that.
    "If your opponent is of choleric temperament, seek to irritate him." - Sun Tzu

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    Re: President Obama comes out in support of Ground Zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by Johnny DooWop View Post
    Oh no. Another atheist "elitist" that thinks he's smarter than anyone who believes in something that cannot be seen.

    "A common sense interpretation of the facts suggests that a superintellect has monkeyed with physics, as well as with chemistry and biology, and that there are no blind forces worth speaking about in nature. The numbers one calculates from the facts seem to me so overwhelming as to put this conclusion almost beyond question." Fred Hoyle, Astrophysicist
    lol he was a proponent of intelligent design and rejected the big bang theory. Ya there's a guy I want to take science lessons from.

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    Re: President Obama comes out in support of Ground Zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    I believe Muslims should have equal protection under the law but that the 1st amendment right to speak the truth about the oppressive nature of their ideology should likewise be respected. In this country the only defense against the freedom of speech is more freedom of speech.
    No one is stopping people from complaining about the mosque and no one is going to stop the mosque from being built. You already have what you want. You should be a very happy person

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    Re: President Obama comes out in support of Ground Zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by Johnny DooWop View Post
    No one is stopping people from complaining about the mosque and no one is going to stop the mosque from being built. You already have what you want. You should be a very happy person
    Well good luck getting the union workers on site, good luck getting the building materials out of the docks, good luck passing inspections.

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