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    Re: President Obama comes out in support of Ground Zero mosque


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    Re: President Obama comes out in support of Ground Zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by Councilman View Post
    Still doesn't work.

    Are you going to link some demographic video 'cause I've seen them before.


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    Re: President Obama comes out in support of Ground Zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    The fact of the matter is that the view held in all 5 sects of mainstream Islam is that the penalty for apostasy, adultery, homosexuality, and/or premarital sex is death and/or lashing.
    Have you ever read the Old Testament? Jews and Christians are no different then, according to your opinion. Most progressives of any religion realize that those specific "eye for an eye" principals are archaic and were only applicable to the time they were written in. And this includes progressive Muslims.


    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    Actually locking away undesirables is a tactic of the left from Roosevelt to Stalin.
    Hitler was very far to right.

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    Re: President Obama comes out in support of Ground Zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by Johnny DooWop View Post
    Hitler was very far to right.
    Disputed.
    National Socialism had elements of leftism.
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    Re: President Obama comes out in support of Ground Zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by soguks View Post
    the Empire had its own system, and you got my point,albeit by chance, Altough the empire jad its own syytem, There were rights for non-muslims such as owning christian courts or schools etc.,and there were no daily insults against non-muslims as in today's america;
    Bull****, dhimmitude was a 24/7 insult, they did not enjoy equal rights. That's like saying that Apartheid or Jim Crow allowed for rights of the blacks without mentioning that those rights were based on segregation and inequality.

    on the other hand, they had some privileges ,for example, non-muslims had no obligation for military service...
    And they couldn't hold high public office or preach their religion in an attempt to convert.

    i repeat The ottoman empire had its own system and lived for 600 years, which shows us the empire had more tolerance for non-muslims than today's America.
    Again wtf are you talking about? Are you asserting that non-Muslims had more rights under the Ottoman empire than Muslims have under the U.S. republic? Your knowledge of history is so skewed and obviously ill informed that I can't help but think you must be joking or saying this non-sense simply to provoke. Non-Muslims were 3rd class dhimmi's until after the Tanzimat Reformation which only granted them de jure not de facto equal rights. In the U.S. Muslims have both de jure and de facto equal rights.


    don't be so dramatic, the empire ,as you wrote,changed its some rules later, after all, we are talking about an empire 100 years ago ...Muslims in USA have to obey the rules of USA, if they want to live in USA, right?
    Those rules come with equal rights regardless of race, religion, and gender. Those rules don't entail killing people for homosexuality or adultery or apostasy etc. Those rules are not said to come from and omnipotent, omnipresent, and omniscient god but from fallible men who are recognized as fallible.

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    Re: President Obama comes out in support of Ground Zero mosque

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    President Obama comes out in support of Ground Zero mosque - NYPOST.com

    As of today 61% of New Yorkers many of them democrats, are aginst the ground zero mosque. Obama comes out in support. Not a very smart move on his part.
    You know what I would have liked Obama to say, which he may be doing, just not saying. I have the CIA, FBI, all branches of the military thoroughly investigating the group that says they are wanting to build this mosque. Any Islamic group insensitive enough to want to build a mosque at ground zero needs to be investigated with every spare dollar we've got. Especially when they aren't fessing up to where they are getting the cash, and also wanting to have their "grand-opening" on 9/11/11. I would love for our President's to say this kind of thing instead of all this ass kissing they usually do. Bush did it, too, and it just makes me want to puke.
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    Re: President Obama comes out in support of Ground Zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by kaya'08 View Post
    Disputed.
    National Socialism had elements of leftism.
    I knew someone was going to say that. Its hard to define "right" and "left" because here in the U.S. are two parties have spliced the two. The "right" is actually liberal when it comes to economics but socially conservative. The "left" is socially liberally but economically conservative. Hitler was a true conservative in the pre-industrial European sense of the word, which meant social control and a state owned economy.

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    Re: President Obama comes out in support of Ground Zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by Johnny DooWop View Post
    Have you ever read the Old Testament? Jews and Christians are no different then, according to your opinion.
    A) Which mainstream Christian or Jewish sect calls for capital and/or corporal punishment for the non-crimes of apostasy, homosexuality, adultery, and/or premarital sex?

    B) I'm an atheist, but the fact of the matter is historically and presently Islam has been responsible for more bloodshed than Judaism and Christianity combined.


    Most progressives of any religion realize that those specific "eye for an eye" principals are archaic and were only applicable to the time they were written in. And this includes progressive Muslims.
    There are no mainstream progressive sects within Islam, it doesn't exist, those who don't support that Ijma are in the extreme minority and are considered heretical. The closest thing you can find to a mainstream progressive Islamic sect are the Sufi's but all of the other sects consider them heretics.

    Hitler was very far to right.
    I disagree.

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    Re: President Obama comes out in support of Ground Zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by Johnny DooWop View Post
    I knew someone was going to say that. Its hard to define "right" and "left" because here in the U.S. are two parties have spliced the two. The "right" is actually liberal when it comes to economics but socially conservative. The "left" is socially liberally but economically conservative. Hitler was a true conservative in the pre-industrial European sense of the word, which meant social control and a state owned economy.
    So Keynes was considered a conservative economist in pre-industrial Europe?

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    Re: President Obama comes out in support of Ground Zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by BDBoop View Post
    No, because the KKK isn't a religion.
    What about a Christian Identity church? Anyways the issue here isn't religious freedom it's property rights so it doesn't matter if the KKK is a religion or not.

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