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President Obama comes out in support of Ground Zero mosque

New York leaders' discomfort - Maggie Haberman - POLITICO.com

23 of 24 ny dems will not return ms haberman's calls

that's odd, they're usually so outspoken

tim bishop from ny1, john hall from ny19, bill owens from infamous 23, mike mcmahon representing unlucky 13...

anthony weiner, who "earned kudos" from the possibly drug imbibing professional leftists at politico for his temper tantrum on the floor:

YouTube - Raw Video: N.Y. Rep Weiner's Anti-GOP Rant

anger, anyone?

contempt?

senators schumer and gillibrand are strangely silent

gub wannabe cuomo, where are you?

president pie-in-the-face, what have you produced?
 
QUOTE=Johnny DooWop;1058919729]You're right. I guess he should just throw out America's constitutional values of freedom of religion, and while he's at it, condemn all of the 1 billion Muslims in the world who aren't violent or extremist and deem there religion to be nothing but a cult. I swear, if it weren't for Liberals, all Muslims in this country would probably be in concentration camps.[/QUOTE]


Leave it to a far out lefty to take a statement out of context............Nothing new here.........
 
There's just no objectivity when it comes to President Obama, is there? "I'm a Conservative. I hate Obama. He's a Muslim sympathizer." Reeeeeeedickalas.

Anyone who has a problem with this statement


is a fool. No wonder the Republican party is in a shambles. We really ARE The Party of No. Or at least here on DP that's who we've become.

There is hardly a day goes by that Hussein Obama does not slap the American people in the face be it the Mosque issue, Obama Care, or immigration...........How the left can still defend this guy is beyond me...
 
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Thank you. Just trying to get people to take a breath, step back from the situation for just a moment, put their emotions aside and see the larger picture here.



This I also agree with. And if it's proven after following the money trail that funding did, in fact, come from Muslim extremist, the Mosque's owner should either return said funding, allow same to be confiscated by the Dept. of Homeland Security or halt the construction of the Mosque - period!

If the funding came from terrorists, the mosque should be stopped.

Period.

If the funding came from terrorists, the money should be confiscated.

Period.

If the funding came from terrorists, the person accepting the funds should have a complete colonoscopy by licensed professional practitioners from the FBI, the CIA, the State Department, and the DHS.
 
"Osama Bin Laden is a product of the United States", and, "the United States is an accessory to 9/11"? I'm having a hard time trying to figure out why the Lefties can't see why this mosque--especially because of it's location--and it's immam--whom refuses to admit that Hamas is a terrorist org--are so offensive.

Well, Lefties hate America and love people who hate America.

Why else would they vote for someone like the Messiah or Hillary?
 
Well, Lefties hate America and love people who hate America.

Why else would they vote for someone like the Messiah or Hillary?

Just doing the math, it seems to me, that one who hates the majority of Americans, (which happened to vote for Obama) such as you do, or for whatever reason, is actually the American hater. I mean, just doing the math and all.

Just sayin....

Have you considered relocating to a country more suitable to your liking?
 
2. Leadership requires more than merely catering to public sentiment.

Yes.

Leadership requires that the leader say what he means the first time he says it, and then stick with it.

Saying what he meant the first time he said it, then playing "take it back" the next day, means the Messiah is NOT a leader, and it means he expects us to be stupid enough to not know truth is spoken first.

3. IMO, if it comes down to a choice between current public sentiment, where emotions may well be running high, and bedrock principles on which the U.S. was established e.g., religious tolerance, I believe leaders should embrace those bedrock principles.

No one is saying the terrorists can't build a temple.

Everyone who's not a politician is saying they shouldn't be building their monument to the 9-11 terrorists THERE.

No fundamental principles are being violated. Zoning law has been a fundamental principle of all cities since Hamurabi.

Now, when we take into account that the terrorists seeking to build this monument originally planned to call the thing "Cordoba House", in commemoration of the successful muslim invasion of Spain in the `0th Century. That name was too blatantly agressive for the marketing campaign to get their new temple to terrorism built, and it was changed to some eponymous code to appease certain politicians.


There is no credible evidence today that religious tolerance is a flawed principle

It's not.

So the terrorists should be required to show tolerance to the sensitivities of the people they're trying to insult with their Temple to Terrorism.

They can build their temple elsewhere, there's nothing significant to Islam at that site that requires that specific place to be used.

Except 3000 dead Americans killed in the name of Allah.

4. Although those whose families suffered harm/losses during 9/11 might be reluctant to see a Mosque constructed near Ground Zero, the precedent of treating all Muslims as collectively responsible for that terrorist attack by denying Muslims a chance to build a Mosque is a worrying one.

Actually, we're talking about terrorists promoting this temple who are unable to describe Hamas as the terrorists organization it is, and who attribute some portion of the blame for the atrocities on 9-11 on the victims.

Should a half-way house for convicted rapists getting parole be sited across the street from a rape crisis center?

Should child molesters be housed across the street from a school?

Almost all cities, New York included, have laws limiting the placement of "adult" entertainment shops, porno theaters, and strip clubs. Why? Out of respect for public sensitivity to the proximity of contradictory issues.

No constitutional right would be violated if the zoning board said "no" to a Temple to Terrorism at the site of a building damaged by the jet engine from one of the weapons stolen by Islamic terrorists to murder 3000 Americans. I'm sure there's a former landfill down wind of a sewage treatment plant just begging for a mosque somewhere.
 
Just doing the math, it seems to me, that one who hates the majority of Americans, (which happened to vote for Obama) such as you do, or for whatever reason, is actually the American hater. I mean, just doing the math and all.

Just sayin....

Have you considered relocating to a country more suitable to your liking?

Nope, don't hate stupid people. Not enough time in the world to be bothered hating them. Just recognizing their stupidity is sufficient.

Have you considered relocating to a country that allows the unconstitutional nonsense your Messiah and the Democrats have been pulling these last seven decades?
 
We're not supposed to judge the many based on the actions of a few.

Makes sense.

Damn few muslims vocalize their opposition to islamic terrorism, therefore we should just Islam by actions of the majority.

16,000 muslim-based terrorist attacks since 9-11.

We should just Islam by that, and say "no" to terrorist monuments at the site of their most successful single act of mass murder.
 
We're not supposed to judge the many based on the actions of a few.

I judge the ideology based on all 5 mainstream sects all believing in the same violent oppressive nonsense. But he clearly said that our negative view of Islamic extremism was a contributing factor to 9-11 as if we were supposed to have a positive view of Islamic extremism.
 
Agent,

Please read my post again only this time don't try so hard to disect it because in this case you come away with the wrong conclusion and espouse the wrong view.

Maybe that's because when we look carefully you're writing an awful lot to say absolutely nothing.

Of course America didn't invent Islam. Don't be absord! It is a religon that's been around for thousands of years. You're being very ridiculous here.

It's called hyperbole.

I didn't say that our support of Arab/Isreal in and of itslef led to 9/11. I said maybe...maybe some of our foreign policies that led the way for exclusion of Muslim nations from the world stage but fostered inclusion of Arab/Isreal may have led to Muslim extremism that eventually led to 9/11. I also said that history may prove our position to have been correct.

We support both Arab nations and Israel, if you were correct then why haven't we seen Israeli's conducting terrorist attacks against the U.S.?

Let me ask you these questions:

When exactly did Iran become a member of the U.N.?

10-24-1945

How many other Muslim nations are also part of this world organization?

All of them.

Why are they excluded?

They aren't.

What nation primarily has led the way for their exclusion?

They aren't excluded.

Why are they set apart from participating in shaping world policies?

They're not.

Again, I'm not saying that their exclusion was not justified.

They weren't excluded.

I am saying, however, that doing so may have led to the growth of Muslim extremism over the years and how radical Muslim extremist saw fit to project their anger at the U.S. on that faithful day.

Your premises are not true, your argumentations are invalid, and your conclusions are unsound.
 
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If the funding came from terrorists, the mosque should be stopped.

Period.

If the funding came from terrorists, the money should be confiscated.

Period.

If the funding came from terrorists, the person accepting the funds should have a complete colonoscopy by licensed professional practitioners from the FBI, the CIA, the State Department, and the DHS.

Well, let's try to atleast provide some room for an honest mistake, shall we? I mean, if it is discovered that a supporter of terrorism or a terrorist organization used some "shadow" entity to funnel money to the Mosque's construction, for example, and the Mosque's owner knew nothing of the contributor's true identity, I think he should be given the chance to do the right thing and either return the money or turn it over along with any information of the contributor's identity and funding network over to the proper authorities. If, however, it is proven that the Mosque's owner/builder had a long standing relationship w/the financier and said individual or entity is a supporter of terrorist, then by all means you raid the place and shut the Mosque down. But you atleast have to give the owner the benefit of the doubt first and trust that he will uphold the law and that his intension of building the Mosque is as he says it is. Until intelligence gathering proves otherwise...;)
 
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So - the thread you started saying Muslim is not a religion was hyperbolic?

I started a thread stating that Mohammad never existed, in that thread I stated that Jesus and Buddha likewise never existed, given the lack of archaelogical evidence, written accounts from unbiased primary sources, etc I have to come to the conclusion that they are most likely mythical rather than historical figures along the lines of Achilles and King Arthur. So no I was not being hyperbolic in that thread.
 
Maybe that's because when we look carefully you're writing an awful lot to say absolutely nothing.

Your premises are not true, your argumentations are invalid, and your conclusions are unsound.

I was merely giving my perspective, right or wrong, as to why radical Islam may have such distain for America and our foreign policies. But if you can provide a better, more reasonable rationale as to why they hate us so much other than they're just a bunch of crazy Muslim fanatics, by all means present your assessment here.

And for the record, for someone who you claim is saying "absolutely nothing" and whose "conclusions are unsound", you sure are following my post very closely.

Just saying...:2wave:
 
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I was merely giving my perspective, right or wrong, as to why radical Islam may have such distain for America and our foreign policies. But if you can provide a better, more reasonable rationale as to why they hate us so much, by all means present your assessment here.

Because radical Islamists along the Qutbist line believe in a thing called Jahiliyyah (ignorance of divine guidance), and that the decadence of the west is turning the world (including Muslims) away from the divinely inspired path as transcribed from god herself through the archangel Gabriel through the mythical figure of Mohammad to his supposed disciples, and that the only way to combat this Jahiliyyah is to to destroy all un-Islamic world governments through any means (including offensive Jihad) and to replace them with theocratic systems of governance based on how they believe the societies of the first few generations of Muslims functioned after the death of Mohammad. Or in other words they hate us for our freedoms. ;)

And for the record, for someone who you claim is saying "absolutely nothing" and whose "conclusions are unsound", you sure are following my post very closely.

That's because you responded to one of my posts and actually defended this assholes claim that the U.S. was partially responsible for 9-11, so I had to smack down your pathetic line of what I guess in your mind passes for argumentation.
 
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Because radical Islamists along the Qutbist line believe in a thing called Jahiliyyah (ignorance of divine guidance), and that the decadence of the west is turning the world (including Muslims) away from the divinely inspired path as transcribed from god herself through the archangel Gabriel through the mythical figure of Mohammad to his supposed disciples, and that the only way to combat this Jahiliyyah is to to destroy all un-Islamic world governments through any means (including offensive Jihad) and to replace them with theocratic systems of governance based on how they believe the societies of the first few generations of Muslims functioned after the death of Mohammad. Or in other words they hate us for our freedoms. ;)

Thank you! You just proved why it's so important for the President to support the right for this Mosque to be built.
 
Thank you! You just proved why it's so important for the President to support the right for this Mosque to be built.

He can support the right to build it while simultaneously condemning the action of building it but the boy king like always doesn't even address the actual issue at hand which is not whether they should be allowed to build it but rather if they should build it.
 
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He can support the right to build it while simultaneously condemning the action of building it

No, he really can't, because it's a local hot issue and he doesn't want to add any fuel to the fire. The specifics are not for him to comment on. Judging by how long he held off on saying anything, he knows this needs to be handled and dealt with on the local level.
 
I was merely giving my perspective, right or wrong, as to why radical Islam may have such distain for America and our foreign policies. But if you can provide a better, more reasonable rationale as to why they hate us so much other than they're just a bunch of crazy Muslim fanatics, by all means present your assessment here.

And for the record, for someone who you claim is saying "absolutely nothing" and whose "conclusions are unsound", you sure are following my post very closely.

Just saying...:2wave:

Wait a minute . . .

You actually didn't think that most -- or even any -- Muslim countries have membership in the UN? Seriously? And you insinuate that said lack of membership is propogated mostly by us, and that's why they try to hit us? Or at least partially?

And you were lecturing people about studying history?
 
No, he really can't, because it's a local hot issue and he doesn't want to add any fuel to the fire. The specifics are not for him to comment on. Judging by how long he held off on saying anything, he knows this needs to be handled and dealt with on the local level.

Obama does have a tendency to weight in on Local issues a bit huh?

Of course, not unprovoked by media douchebags.
 
No, he really can't, because it's a local hot issue and he doesn't want to add any fuel to the fire.

Then he should stay the hell out of it.

The specifics are not for him to comment on.

Then don't comment on it at all.

Judging by how long he held off on saying anything, he knows this needs to be handled and dealt with on the local level.

Then why answer a question that no one asked? This was never about their right to build the Mosque it was about whether it was appropriate to do so.
 
I didn't see anything remotely approaching a lecture.

Then you haven't read the thread:

But ultimate WE were responsible. I don't mean to hijack the thread, but WE did cut off Japan's access to natural resources, in this case, oil. WE backed them in a corner. WE were the leading discenting voice in imposing an oil embargo upon them. As such, the Japanesse Empire fought back. End result = the attack on Pearl Harbor.

Do yourself a favor, go back and read WWII history then come back and maybe we can discuss this matter futher. But for the sake of this issue where U.S. policy may have foster Muslim extremist angst, I think WE repeated the same mistake. Again, I'm not saying that we weren't justified, but you have to see things in their proper historical content to gain a full understanding of what led to certain events.
 
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