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    Re: President Obama comes out in support of Ground Zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by kaya'08 View Post
    What part of this recent history suggests Xenophobia is how your nation works?
    Great examples include the treatment received by Irish, Itallian, and many other immigrants to this country.

    Quote Originally Posted by kaya'08 View Post
    The constitution emphasizes the important of private property and the right to religious freedom, which means by its very nature it is preaching the opposite of xenophobia; rather the fundamental importance of accepting and coexisting, the very mechanics that has created a successful cosmopolitan, and through this diverse nature, a strong American society.
    That doesn't mean it preaches against xenophobia or preaches its opposite, that means it documents our rights. The Constitution doesn't actually say anything about acceptance.
    I'm already gearing up for Finger Vote 2014.

    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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    Re: President Obama comes out in support of Ground Zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    sure

    "i'm here to improve relations with you, you idiot"

    LOL!
    No, more like, "I'm doing this to improve relations with non-Muslims, and anybody who says I picked the wrong location just because they associate Islam with 9/11 is an idiot."
    I'm already gearing up for Finger Vote 2014.

    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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    Re: President Obama comes out in support of Ground Zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Enhance your calm.
    ......... L O L

    Demolition Man... I love that movie.....
    "I condemn the ideology of White Supremacy and Nazism. They are thugs, criminals, and repugnant, and are against what I believe to be "The American Way" "
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    Re: President Obama comes out in support of Ground Zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    No, more like, "I'm doing this to improve relations with non-Muslims, and anybody who says I picked the wrong location just because they associate Islam with 9/11 is an idiot."
    LOL!

    well, that'll certainly get em to hear you

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    Re: President Obama comes out in support of Ground Zero mosque

    I wish I could say thanks more than once. This was so very well written.

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    I've kept my mouth shut on this issue because I wanted to take the time to really think it through and reconcile how I feel about both sides of the issue at stake here: upholding one of our founding principles of religious tolerence versus showing compassion for those who died at the hands of religious extremist who happened to be of the Islamic faith subverted as they may have been.

    If you say you honestly believe in the Constitution and the American way of life, you have to allow this Mosque to be built right where the ground has been broken.

    Freedom of religion was one of the reasons our Founding Fathers left the British Crown. They wanted to be free of religious prosecution. In many ways, the stain of the Salom Witch Hunts remain a stain on this country's early history. Other than the occasional cult that have popped up here and there, this country has upheld the right of the individual to practise whatever religion he/she wants as long as such doesn't infring on the basic rights of others. Furthermore, because this country is a nation of laws, we've afforded every entity the right to do whatever they want to do as long as they follow the laws in place. By all accounts, the owners of the land where this mosque is to be built has followed the law to the letter. Moreover, as another poster has mentioned plans were in the works to build this mosque at this particular site long before 9/11 occurred. As such, how can the owner be denied his right to build a place of worship wherever he wants as long as he follows the city building and zoning codes?

    The way I see it, this isn't a Liberal or Conservative thing. This is an American values things. To disallow the building of this mosque would send a message to those who wished to do this country harm on September 11, 2001, that they've won! They've destroyed the very Constitutional rights we've fought so hard to uphold. As an American can you live with the alternative? Can you live with the hypocrisy that would clearly be on display for the world to see and the message many around the world would take from this, the very nation that talks big on religious freedom and equality and democracy for all? Can you see how wrong it would be not to allow this mosque to be built?

    I fully understand how those who are opposed to its construction truly feel, but as my wife said to me while we were discussing this very issue, "9/11 was an event; tragic as it was allowing the mosque to be built will not bring back those whose lives have been lost". Clearly, it won't take away the sting the "slap in the face" at building this Islamic place of worship so close to where the Twin Towers once stood appears to be making, but to disallow its construction gives power to radical Islam and quickens their resolve. The way I see it, WE take away their power by reaffirming to the Muslim world that we are not at war with Islam and that no matter how hard they try to tear us apart and demonstrate that we are a nation divided full of religious hyporcrits, we will never yeild to their inhumanity and subversion of our basic freedoms.

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    Re: President Obama comes out in support of Ground Zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    What surprises me is the comments of those who say they are Conservatives. Your very idealogy means you support this measure.

    If you say you support the Constitution, then you support the right of the owner of this Mosque to practise his religious faith in this country.

    If you say the U.S. is a nation of laws, then you support the legal right for this Mosque to be built exactly in the location where it was originally planned as long as the proper building permits were applied for, purchased and zoning codes are followed.

    If you say you support the basic rights of Americans under the Bill of Rights, then you have no choice but to support the right for this Mosque to be built.



    The President of the United States of America is affirming that we are a nation that does not ignores the basic rights of its citizens and will uphold the rule of law no matter how painful it may be at times.
    They have right to. I don't think anyone is arguing that point.
    However if RAUF is about building bridges as he says, then he should listen to the majority of Americans who are against it. They don't want it there, yet are going to be forced to tolerate it. This bridge fails before it's built.

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    Re: President Obama comes out in support of Ground Zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
    They have right to. I don't think anyone is arguing that point.
    However if RAUF is about building bridges as he says, then he should listen to the majority of Americans who are against it. They don't want it there, yet are going to be forced to tolerate it. This bridge fails before it's built.
    People keep forgetting to add "in my opinion".

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    Re: President Obama comes out in support of Ground Zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by BDBoop View Post
    People keep forgetting to add "in my opinion".
    Why should we have to.....

    Oh yeah, for those folks who always like to say..

    "Got a link for that? har har har har"
    "I condemn the ideology of White Supremacy and Nazism. They are thugs, criminals, and repugnant, and are against what I believe to be "The American Way" "
    Thus my obligatory condemnation of White supremacy will now be in every post, lest I be accused of supporting it because I didn't mention it specifically every time I post.

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    Re: President Obama comes out in support of Ground Zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    Great examples include the treatment received by Irish, Itallian, and many other immigrants to this country.
    Completely wrong, against American values since it violates the basic principles of the constitution and doesn't make it right.

    That doesn't mean it preaches against xenophobia or preaches its opposite, that means it documents our rights. The Constitution doesn't actually say anything about acceptance.
    It implies it through equality, that should be enough.
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    Re: President Obama comes out in support of Ground Zero mosque

    I think this is not a good idea, in the exact same sense that a Branch Davidian temple being built next door to the old Murrah building in OK would be a bad idea.

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