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    Re: President Obama comes out in support of Ground Zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by kaya'08 View Post
    Obama did a moral thing; put the values of the constitution and the founding father first, for once, and upheld America's title as the land of the free and brave.
    that's pretty, but the people with whom he's trying to improve relations are PISSED

    to lead you must first UNDERSTAND the led

    to start, you must LISTEN to em (especially when they're screaming at you)

    obama is obtuse

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    Re: President Obama comes out in support of Ground Zero mosque

    Sgt Rock, dont bother fighting for your country. You should not be allowed the title of an American if you cannot even support its basic values. Your political views is more in alignment with the likes of the very extremists and right wingers who seek to destroy the very foundations that make your country; religious and political freedom...the very foundations you yourself wish to remove from existence.

    I have become concerned with your increasing islamaphobia and many fellow posters agree. I hope you find your way.
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    Re: President Obama comes out in support of Ground Zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by JohnLocke View Post
    Its a place of worship, not a terrorist headquarters. If a Christian started shooting random people and they built a memorial there, very few people would object a church being built down the street. (Don't take this the wrong way, I'm protestant)
    I don't have any details yet, but just heard about a church that was destroyed on 9/11. It seems they are running into all kinds of red tape. All they want to do is re-build their church where it was.
    Our Gov. is bending over backwards to make sure a mosque is built. They have gone as far as tax payer funding of sending the Imam to the ME for outreach and fund raising.
    If the gov. got involved and used tax payer money to help rebuild a church the left would be out their screaming about the seperation of church and state.

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    Re: President Obama comes out in support of Ground Zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by kaya'08 View Post
    Sgt Rock, dont bother fighting for your country. You should not be allowed the title of an American if you cannot even support its basic values. Your political views is more in alignment with the likes of the very extremists and right wingers who seek to destroy the very foundations that make your country; religious and political freedom...thQe very foundations you yourself wish to remove from existence.

    I have become concerned with your increasing islamaphobia and many fellow posters agree. I hope you find your way.
    If SgtRock is judged fit for duty, I think he's perfect for the job.

    America isn't just about its ideals. It's about the fact that you can hate everything this country stands for, and yet still be a citizen in good standing if you but keep the law.
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    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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    Re: President Obama comes out in support of Ground Zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    that's pretty, but the people with whom he's trying to improve relations are PISSED

    to lead you must first UNDERSTAND the led

    to start, you must LISTEN to em (especially when they're screaming at you)

    obama is obtuse
    You dont make sense, i dont think i want to understand you, but just to get it right, are you advocating the suppression of religion?
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    Re: President Obama comes out in support of Ground Zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    The problem is that he's not just aiming for diplomacy, but also for being an agent of social change.
    that's not working, either

    When social change is your priority, and simply going about your business stirs up the haters, you're pretty much obligated to keep doing it.

    I never said anybody did. I said the idiocy of others isn't his problem.

    Well, the appropriate response to hate and fear is not capitulation
    maybe nothing is working because he has such a low opinion of the people with whom he's trying to improve relations

    how do you improve relations with someone you fundamentally disrespect, why bother?

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    Re: President Obama comes out in support of Ground Zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    If SgtRock is judged fit for duty, I think he's perfect for the job.

    America isn't just about its ideals. It's about the fact that you can hate everything this country stands for, and yet still be a citizen in good standing if you but keep the law.
    That's very true. But know that his increasing xenophobic sentiment is unacceptable. If he hates the values of the country, don't fight for it.
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    Re: President Obama comes out in support of Ground Zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    that's not working, either
    It's the sort of thing that happens overnight.

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    how do you improve relations with someone you fundamentally disrespect, why bother?
    Has he said he fundamentally disrespects the people of New York? It seems to me that his approach has been that they can dislike what he's doing all they want, but he's still doing it. That's not disrespectful.
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    Re: President Obama comes out in support of Ground Zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by kaya'08 View Post
    That's very true. But know that his increasing xenophobic sentiment is unacceptable. If he hates the values of the country, don't fight for it.
    American history is so rife with xenophobia that one could argue it's a very American value.
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    Re: President Obama comes out in support of Ground Zero mosque

    "ignoramuses," "haters," "idiocy," "ignorance..."

    contempt, anyone?

    derision?

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