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    Re: President Obama comes out in support of Ground Zero mosque

    No, because the KKK isn't a religion.

    Quote Originally Posted by SgtRock View Post
    Obama should stay out of this. If the KKK announced plans to build a shrine at the site of the 16th Street Baptist Church, would Obama be talking about religious freedom? I agree that they have a right to build this mosque but I also believe they have an agenda and it has nothing to do with tolerance and understanding.

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    Re: President Obama comes out in support of Ground Zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by SgtRock View Post
    I have no intention to relax. I have been contemplating my anger and hatred for Islam lately. I understand that my opinion of Islam is not popular. But I believe I am right and my hatred is justified. I will fight the Islamification of my country till my last breath.
    And therefore you are no different, and certainly no better, than them.

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    Re: President Obama comes out in support of Ground Zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    I don't consider silence as supporting. I consider helping extremists supporting.
    whether you agree with or even understand their reasons, the overwhelming majority of your neighbors, ie, equals, the very folks the imam and his pal in the white house are trying to "relate" to, including 50% of ny dems, see things differently

    how can you improve relations with anyone without first understanding him or her?

    and obama isn't being silent, here, is he?

    he was, for weeks

    gibbs kept saying it was an issue for new yorkers

    that changed yesterday

    here we go!

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    Re: President Obama comes out in support of Ground Zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by MCS117 View Post
    And so do most of the opponents to the building of that Mosque. It's not the matter of if they can build it or not. It's the matter of why they are building that mosque in that location. I am for them building mosques, but that location is creating tension. It's like burning the American flag. It's legal, but many Americans(I hope a majority....) does not like people that do that in front of their faces or stomp of the American flag. It's a sign of disrespect to the people there. And this mosque is showing that despite a majority of people do not want it at that location, "we are gonna do it anyway because we can" kind of attitude. How you like it when a guy walks up front of you, spits on an American flag, stomps on it, then lights it up. But then again.... They can do it, but people might not like it.
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    Re: President Obama comes out in support of Ground Zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    The guy responsible for this monstrosity wants a Sharia compliant U.S.. Yes.
    One of the goals of Christianity (for example) is to "convert" the entire world to their religion. So should we be suspicious of all Christians? Will they eventually wipe out all the non-believers so Jesus will finally come back to earth? I'm not worried. Nor am I worried that all Muslims will rise up and kill us all. There are both good and terrible people in all religions. I am not one to let the extremists speak for the rest of their religion.

    Religious beliefs are shoved into politics all the time... but if you truly believe that America will EVER condone the death penalty for adultery, lashing someone for having sex out of wedlock, or cutting someone's hands off for stealing... as The Prof feels he needs to shove into this discussion... you should take a drug test.

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    Prove it. That's just an out and out lie, the Cordoba Mosque wasn't announced until 2009.
    Yeah I can't find anything about the Mosque being planned in the 1990s. I'll hold my judgment until DiAnna can back up (or not back up) the claim.
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    Re: President Obama comes out in support of Ground Zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    No, see you're WRONG many do, and we do so by supporting laws to stop such, by publicly condemning such actions.
    So when is this ephemeral idea of "public condemnation" sufficient, in your view? Do you deny that the vast majority of Muslims publicly condemn terrorism?

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    It may not be fair, and I was merely remarking on cultural differences? Yes, not making a statement that all Muslims that don't get out in the streets supports terrorism.
    So by your own admission what you are really doing is using overly-broad language to unfairly attribute criminal actions to Islamic culture generally, while acknowledging that support for terrorism is only supported by a fraction of Muslims. I've never heard such asinine dithering, at least commit yourself to a position. Are you so ashamed of your own beliefs that you have to make such absurd rationalizations? Maybe you should reevaluate them, then.

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    BTW It wouldn't take much, I figure most Muslims that live in the West and have been exposed to Personal Liberty move beyond such notions.
    If it truly "doesn't take much" then the threshold has already been more than met. But what you really mean is that it doesn't take much when it's Christians muttering condemnations of abortion clinic bombers, while you demand some sort of vast public protest by Muslims against crimes for which they are entirely innocent. You obviously have a double standard for Christians and Muslims, and I submit that no amount of condemnation of terrorism by Muslims (and there is plenty of it) will ever be enough for your kind.

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    But what will it take for you to acknowledge that many DO support Terrorist.
    Certainly, I don't know of anyone who denies the fact that certain people who claim to be Muslims engage in terrorism. Just as certain people who claim to be Christian commit acts of terrorism.

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    Re: President Obama comes out in support of Ground Zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    You're holding Rauf responsible for the fact that his neighbors are ignoramuses. That's not his problem.
    if he really wants to improve relations with the neanderthals, it absolutely is

    diplomacy, remember?

    who ever guaranteed that everyone you must deal with in your affairs is as enlightened as yourself?

    i'm not really holding anyone responsible for anything, but the electorate will, they'll hold lots of people accountable (80 days, baby!)

    all i'm doing is observing and commenting very sincerely

    this issue is gonna kill this president, it's another 70%'er for the krauthammer kids

    he's a klutz, comprehensively clueless and incompetent

    If he keeps putting himself out there and being reasonable and creating environments and opportunities for interaction with the public, then he's doing what he should be doing.
    but it aint working

    maybe on paper, maybe in the abstract, maybe in harvard textbooks

    but NOT in new york

    ideals are pretty, but reality is rubber on road

    As for the President, I don't give a damn about him.
    i completely understand
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    Re: President Obama comes out in support of Ground Zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by SgtRock View Post
    I have no intention to relax. I have been contemplating my anger and hatred for Islam lately. I understand that my opinion of Islam is not popular. But I believe I am right and my hatred is justified. I will fight the Islamification of my country till my last breath.
    I once knew a man like you. Unfortunately, he climbed up the political ranks and achieved a great deal of power. Then he murdered 6 million Jews.

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    Re: President Obama comes out in support of Ground Zero mosque

    Obama did a moral thing; put the values of the constitution and the founding father first, for once, and upheld America's title as the land of the free and brave.
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    Re: President Obama comes out in support of Ground Zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    if he really wants to improve relations with the neanderthals, it absolutely is

    diplomacy, remember?
    The problem is that he's not just aiming for diplomacy, but also for being an agent of social change. He sees so many people filled with hate and fear towards Islam, so he wants to change that. Then people react fearfully and hatefully with respect to his chosen location.

    When social change is your priority, and simply going about your business stirs up the haters, you're pretty much obligated to keep doing it.

    In other words, the problem here isn't that he isn't being diplomatic, it's that he's got a bigger priority than diplomacy.

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    who ever guaranteed that everyone you must deal with in your affairs is as enlightened as yourself?
    I never said anybody did. I said the idiocy of others isn't his problem.

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    but it aint working

    maybe on paper, maybe in the abstract, maybe in harvard textbooks

    but NOT in new york
    Well, the appropriate response to hate and fear is not capitulation, dot.
    I'm already gearing up for Finger Vote 2014.

    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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